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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

sadly incorrect now that SJ dropped the night trains göteborg-umeå, despite significant protests

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

why does italy have 2 identical lines where one of them just skips taranto what did taranto do

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

That looks fine to me. I'm no civil engineer but the lines connect on both ends, so a person can hop off and go to taranto, or stay along the top coastline. I'd assume the lines were doubled because people used that line so often that it was better to just create a whole new one.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Unpopular opinion. Night trains are never going to make a dent in air travel.

I've traveled right across Europe by train a bunch of times, so I've taken a good few night trains. In Germany, France, Austria, Switzerland, Denmark, Italy, a couple in the Balkans, even the Dogu Express right across Turkey. I've also taken day trains everywhere, of course.

Every single experience on a night train was something of an ordeal. That's because a night train is basically a hostel on wheels. Staying the night in a tiny cabin in extreme proximity to strangers, without privacy, without access to a decent bathroom, this is just never going to be competitive with a short flight, no matter how cheap it is. For students, young people and more adventurous types, sure, it's a great idea.

The only genuine solution to the plane problem is high-speed rail that is fully competitive on price.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

There is another answer: improve comfort in night trains.

Being able to eat in a restaurant in a country A, sleep in a comfy night train and eat a breakfast in a country B would be way more comfortable than a flight imho.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 16 hours ago

The problem is that for most people over about 21, the biggest component of "comfort" is privacy. This is why people book hotels rather than hostels, even when the hostels are stylish and luxurious. Of course, night trains can be hotels-on-wheels too. The better ones have first-class cabins with private bathrooms. But this makes no sense from an environmental point of view. At this point you might as well take the short flight.

The best couchette-style service in Europe right now is the recently introduced Nightjet mini-cabins. Capsules, basically. This is a major step forward IMO but I still don't see this tempting most normie travelers. And so expensive, too.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Spain and Portugal: no thank you

[–] [email protected] 22 points 20 hours ago

It existed up until the pandemic, Trenhotel, I took it once. Fell asleep in the center of Madrid, woke up in downtown Lisbon. The trip had beautiful snowy landscapes lit by the full moon. It's such a shame it's gone.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

And Ireland? Or is the map just having a very specific interpretation of "Europe"?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Are there night trains in Ireland?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 21 hours ago

a night bus use to be seasonal till few years ago XD

[–] [email protected] -1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I don't know, but that'd be the point, right? If it framed Western Europe we'd know that those countries don't have any, but cutting them off just makes it ambiguous.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

I see it more like "Ireland doesn't have night trains, so let's focus the map on the part of Europe where they have most of them"

Edit: the interactive version can be found here: https://back-on-track.eu/night-train-map/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago

They used to have the Pau Casals train BCN-ZRH but they deemed it non profitable or something :(

[–] [email protected] 11 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

There used to be one going directly from Northeastern France near Basel to South France Cerbere. It was the best one for going on vacation from Germany. They killed it because it wasnt profitable enough :/ Now you have to go through Paris which is a horrible stop to have to take.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

You don't absolutely have to any more. There's a Strasbourg-Lyon TGV link. Less than 4 hours.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Thats only half the distance tho

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago

Sure, but you avoid the Paris hassle. And get there quicker too, because it's TGVs all the way.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 19 hours ago

cries in american

[–] thetreesaysbark 8 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Wasn't expecting that from Scotland to be honest.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I tried it once to get to London for a meeting. The best way I can describe it is this: if you manage to go to sleep, it's great, otherwise it's horrible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

Penzance to London is a similar experience, but with older trains.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 20 hours ago

Caledonia Sleeper

I wanted to take that train when I went on holiday in Scotland, but there was a train strike which jumbled our plans a little. Sad