It's alright, he won't actually pay them
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He doesn’t care about immigrants.
Not one way, not the other.
He just needs a scapegoat to blame all the problems on, because he can’t afford for his base- who absolutely do hate immigrants- to realize he, and people like him, are in fact the source of most their problems.
He doesn't want them gone, and neither do any other oligarch.
They want them in a grey legal area, so they can be exploited more efficiently, is all.
Keep illegal immigrants working in farm work. Now, they have now labor protections, and BOOM! MOAR PROFITS!
That's all.
I could see them putting immigrants in camps and then saying "oh their home country won't take them back. We'll just keep them in camp. Oh and they'll have to work obv. Can't be slackers in america."
Coincidentally an oligarch will own the camp and the work output.
Schindlers list style,
He just want to use immigrants to distract poor people from who is really screwing them over.
It’s not the billionaires, it’s the guy doing landscaping 7 days a week so his kids don’t have to grow up in a cartel state.
He's lying. Everything he says is a lie.
He doesn't actually want them gone. He wants them oppressed and desperate.
That's actually been the standard Republican strategy for as long as I can remember, because they're trying to serve two purposes at the same time. On the one hand they want to appeal to the racists in their party, but on the other hand, they want to ensure that American businesses enjoy uninterrupted access to cheap and desperate labor. And the two actually complement each other pretty well. They can and do foment hatred and promise mass deportations and all of that to appeal to the racists, but never quite manage to actually solve the supposed problem, or even really make any headway on it, which means that businesses can stil take advantage of cheap and desperate labor and there are still "illegals" for the racists to rail against.
Oh they don't really want them gone, just for them to lose their legal status so they can be underpaid, and won't dare to report any workplace violations under the threat of deportation.
In fact, that's already happening, they just want to convert more Americans' status to "illegal immigrant"
Talks of deportation are, mostly, dog whistles. He did the same thing during his first term with H2B labor
And also to foster an economy of undocumented workers to drive down labor costs.
They don't want immigrants gone, they want them underpaid and unregulated.
Slaves, they want slaves.
Which includes undocumented and citizens
Trump doesn't want anything except money and power. Saying he wants to deport immigrants gets him support from xenophobes and bigots.
Makes sense. Otherwise with whom will he replace Melania?
Holy fuck he looks ancient.
He IS ancient. He is currently 78 and will be 80 by the time mid-terms roll around. And he has not taken good care of his mind or body. Same shit as Biden, crusty old fuck that should not be President for many reasons.
Trump and those up top don't want to deport all the immigrants, they just want a captive labor force too afraid of deportation to rock the boat.
There's 7 comments so far saying Trump doesn't actually want them gone. C'mon guys, he wants immigrants gone. It's pure racism, he wants them gone and he wants a white Christian America. The only question is how far he gets before he croaks.
*I think I know what's going on, everyone here is in the bargaining stage of the 5 stages of grief.
He doesn’t care either way. All he’s really doing is rallying a community of people in his support who hate brown people.
As long as there is a group of people willing to support him he will bend in any direction to get them. It turns out getting support from racists is the easiest group to manipulate.
He’s using this for momentum. That’s how he got elected.
...That doesn't mean he's not going to deport as many as he can. He can deport all illegal immigrants and there will still be plenty of POC to scapegoat. Then it's on the next thing: Segregation. He likely won't live long enough to do it, but the GOP will go for it.
And I think he does care (not that I support what he cares about), he is racist through and through.
That doesn't mean he's not going to deport as many as he can
Maybe he will maybe he won’t.
It’s already illegal to be an illegal immigrant. You already get deported if you get caught.
I can’t possibly see what else he can do about it other than kick in random doors. I don’t see that happening.
What I'm reading is they don't automatically deport you if you're an illegal immigrant, as of now. Maybe hearings, DACA, all the jazz about "he has dependent family here". They have addresses of DACA people, they know where a lot of illegal immigrants live.
Honestly sounds like fear mongering to me. They can’t pull this shit off even if they wanted to
Geezus. He's going to do what he said he's going to do. What is going on with Lemmy in this thread.
He can try. It won’t work. It’s just basic logic.
Do you believe everything that comes out of that idiots mouth?
How’d that wall turn out?
He's going to deport pretty much as many as he can. The only limiting factor is logistics and courts (blocking him from using the military, etc). You're just hoping the system blocks him, like the Dems did to the wall. Right now he has all 3 houses. You really need to stop sticking your head in the sand.
Haha what a joke.
Case in point.
*This is going nowhere, so ciao.
make it 8. trump doesn't give a rat's ass about anything but trump. everything he sharts out of his face anus is for the singular purpose of rallying his rabid cult followers to worship him. that's it. he doesn't give a fuck about "christian america." or 100% white america. he wants cheap explloitable labor, which is what all of this 3 ring "deportation" shitshow is all about
in case it's not clear, he's not deporting 11 million people. don't be gullible
It's the 'do as I say, not as I do'. He's super racist, everyone knows this.
As for the exact number, it depends on the courts blocking things, the basic logistics of getting enough ICE officers (this is where the court matters if they allow or block use of the military), and the legal hearing people get (also where the courts matter, I bet that Trump wants to bypass that). He will go as far as he can. Y'all need to wake up.
Nobody is saying they're not going to deport a lot of people or that Donald Trump and the GOP are not racist.
They're saying deportation isn't the point, which it clearly isn't. They want cheap, exploitable labor. Otherwise, they'd be attacking businesses who hire undocumented immigrants since that's the whole reason people come here.
They don't want to alienate businesses: those people are their donors. They want to drive the cost of labor down for their donors by exploiting the reactionary hatred of their base.
This has been the case for decades; Trump is being even more explicit, stupid, and cruel than his party had traditionally been, but he is very much in that same tradition.
They literally ran on "Mass Deportation". Not "targeted deportation". Not "deport the criminals". It was "MASS Deportation". They made how many millions of those signs? They literally plastered it everywhere. When someone tells you what they are going to do, believe them. Cheap labor is a minor hiccup they will give up to fuel their deep seated racism. If they cared about costs they wouldn't impose tariffs. They don't care.
I can't believe you guys are jumping through hoops and grasping at straws to think they won't do what they literally said.
It's not that they don't want to today. It's that the logistics of deporting millions of people is a lot more than they realize.
They'll get started, all gung ho, realize they've bit off more than they can chew, notice that the oppression has made it so that the cost of undocumented labor goes down (because what are they gonna do, complain?), and then slow the roll of disappearing people to a manageable level while still keeping the remainder well oppressed.
The tariffs just work another side of that equation. Tariffs raise prices on manufactured goods across the board, for foreign and domestic products, because if you're a domestic manufacturer of widgets, all you have to do is set the price of your widget just under the price of foreign widgets.
Put some cheap labor on top of that, your labor expense goes down, and you get more profit.
It’s that the logistics of deporting millions of people is a lot more than they realize.
I believe I already covered this when I said "As for the exact number, it depends on the courts blocking things, the basic logistics of getting enough ICE ..."
That's the only limiting factor.
realize they’ve bit off more than they can chew,
This is where we disagree. They may be forced to be slow, but they will go hard and try to get around the obstacles.
The tariffs just work another
Sigh, I brought up tariffs because people keep saying (essentially) "they can't deport that many people, our economy depends on it". Well guess what the economy depends on trade and they don't care, they will put in tariffs. Just like they don't care about the hit to the economy from deporting people.
If you're not going to care about what I actually said, then I see no reason to continue this discussion. I explicitly told you that I think they're going to deport a lot of people. You know... En masse?
Have fun arguing with yourself.
You said deportation is not the point, and I discussed how deportation is literally the whole point.
I'm amazed at how skeptical you are that elites use reactionary resentment to enrich themselves as matter of course.
And you're calling everyone else naïve.
They can enrich themselves pretty damn well without needing to rely on illegal immigrants. Trump will use them if he can, but he wants them out even more. That's the difference.
The real enrichment will come from union busting, destroying the NLRB, FTC, FCC, FDA, etc, deregulation, privatization of government departments (postal service, NASA), sweetheart court decisions, tax cuts, capital gains tax cuts, etc, which they will go full ham on. Illegal immigrant wages are next to nothing.
I want less work visas for foreign workers. The tech industry isn't competitive for Americans because Indians will do the job cheaper for a visa. It's giving companies too much power over employees