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Red Hat stops all upstream and downstream work on desktop Bluetooth, multimedia applications (namely totem, rhythmbox and sound-juicer) and libfprint/fprintd (www.hadess.net)

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[–] [email protected] 149 points 1 year ago (1 children)

IBM strikes again

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They have no idea how Red Hat was making money, they're just squeezing it dry.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

RedHats focus is on Enterprise Linux, Openshift, AWX, etc.

Are they even a “competitor” in enterprise Linux desktop? Enterprise Linux servers, sure, and I suppose a good number of orgs who don’t want to deal with dissimilar “user” distros, but I’d think Canonical would have enterprise desktop Linux pretty much sealed by now.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I've had a couple jobs with RHEL workstations, and the university I went to had RHEL workstations too. Not sure what their market share is compared to canonical, but they definitely have a bunch of deployments on desktop.

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[+] [email protected] 77 points 1 year ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (23 children)

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

After 3 years on Fedora, the distro that finally made me stop hopping, I moved to openSUSE when I installed a new SSD. I have no idea what the future holds, but I'm good with switching now when convenient rather than later.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

so… how do you like openSuSE after 3 years of fedora?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Coming from Fedora/Cinnamon, I went with Tumbleweed/Plasma. As dumb as it sounds, checking out those "X things to do after installing openSUSE Tumbleweed" articles really helps get the ball rolling with adding the Packman repo, using opi for codecs, installing MS Fonts for compatibility, and other basic quality-of-life things like that. YaST does a lot of heavy lifting and hand holding, which can be good or bad depending on your Linux journey, experience, and/or philosophy - but it is very convenient. Honestly, like with anything Linux, you just kind of adjust til you find things you don't like - which, to be honest, my main list of things is less with openSUSE itself and more with KDE Plasma.

I guess that's a long way to say, I've been fine and haven't missed Fedora.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Having done the same trip (years of Fedora, then OpenSUSE) I'm super happy with my experience

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Not OP, but I used Ubuntu for years and just installed OpenSUSE on my laptop last week. I really like Plasma compared to Gnome. The package manager repos needed a lot more configuring on openSUSE compared to Ubuntu, as there were a lot of software not available in the default repos. Things like my graphics drivers for my dedicated GPU needed a repo added. I also like apt a lot more than zypper. Zypper seems to complain about incompatibilities a lot, and it's much slower. OpenSUSE has far more up to date packages than Ubuntu, which was the main reason I switched. I also really like btrfs and snapshotting built in. I haven't figured out Yast yet. It seems confusing to me. I prefer to set configs from command line.

Once I had everything set up though, I can't really tell the difference, which is ideal.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

@beta_tester @alounoz No, Fedora is independent and all Gnome is affected by this. It is very sad that RH is not interested in the Linux Desktop and I doubt that Canonical will assign resources to these projects.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"independent" - Is it though?

Redhat are the major sponsors of Fedora, much as they sponsored Centos before taking it over and killing it in classic "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish".

I have doubts about the future of the entire EL ecosphere - I know not many enterprise level organisations are investing deeply into it right now, whether that's with RHEL or a rebuild. Too much doubt about Redhat's intentions with RHEL and the future of it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Hard to “embrace” something you created. Fedora is 100% a Red Hat creation. They created Fedora when they created RHEL. Before that, it was just Red Hat Linux.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Sadly, this move by Red Hat is not unexpected. Personally, I do not recommend any Red Hat related distros, including clones. This breaks my heart since my first Linux experience was Red Hat Halloween, but the company is just taking ugly turn after ugly turn.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m also not sure about it, as I’ve always liked Fedora.

However, these news impact the whole Linux desktop, and GNOME in particular :(

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They are focusing on consolidating flatpak, and move toward immutable desktop. If you read the some press release in red hat blogs, they move their teams to make Wayland more stable now, and they aim to bring full flegede gaming desktop also 3D tools as most Hollywood company use RHEL on desktop for processing, it's what some of the engineer said on reddit, and libreoffice, rythmbox, totem, bluetooth, are offered with flatpak, so... User can move to that.

Sadly their way of communicating always bad when they move to new project these days.. Really bad..

And some other are making FUD on those news with community left confused and make assumptions..

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

openSUSE will welcome you and your friends :)

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fedora exists separately from RHEL. RedHats decisions can only affect it so far as what they task their developers with.

However the community votes in which tech is included in Fedora. I wouldn't worry about the distro.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I loved fedora and it is not easy to choose another distro that fits me that well, but I more and more loose trust in fedora and its future. I think I'll switch from fedora to a real community distro w/o corporation influence, step by step box by box, slowly but steady to get back my peace of mind.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem is these companies are the bulk of the contributors to these projects.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yep. People think it's people in their spare time. I mean people have to eat and these companies are the ones who pay for most of the development.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Absolutely. This is the end-result of all corporate backed distros.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This means that, in the medium-term at least, all those GNOME projects will go without a maintainer, reviewer, or triager:- gnome-bluetooth (including Settings panel and gnome-shell integration)- totem, totem-pl-parser, gom- libgnome-volume-control- libgudev- geocode-glib- gvfs AFC backendThose freedesktop projects will be archived until further notice:- power-profiles-daemon- switcheroo-control- iio-sensor-proxy- low-memory-monitorI will not be available for reviewing libfprint/fprintd, upower, grilo/grilo-plugins, gnome-desktop thumbnailer sandboxing patches, or any work related to XDG specifications.Kernel work, reviews and maintenance, including recent work on SteelSeries headset and Logitech devices kernel drivers, USB revoke for Flatpak Portal support, or core USB is suspended until further notice.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gnome-bluetooth and gvfs are big. I don't use Gnome, I use a tiling window manager, with XFCE apps, but my workflow depends on these apps. I hope that Blueman is not dependent on gnome-bluetooth, but GVFS is literally essential, as that's what I use for mounting external volumes (mainly USBs). This is bad.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Guess it's not wrong to think that they technically stopped to work on about everything for gnome for a while

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

That really sucks. I recently chose to use Nobara too, I hope these projects get picked up by another entity so Gnome as a whole doesn't suffer.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago

There is no more Red Hat. It's IBM now.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can see where they'd spend less maintaining rhythmbox and totem as they don't really help with office productivity. So many keyboards and mice are Bluetooth these days it kinda seems weird to stop working on the tools you're customers actually need.

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[+] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

ThinkPad under Lenovo has also gotten much worse to the point that I don't really consider them anymore ...

Last time I looked you couldn't even buy a 2-in-1 with upgradeable memory (or RAM > 16 GB) anymore and for replacing the keyboard you now have to disassemble the entire ThinkPad. Unlike my L390 Yoga and X201 Tablet, where the RAM is slotted and where the keyboard can easily be changed by removing three screws (which is important to me, as I prefer US International over my local layout and I also value a clean keyboard when buying used). In my experience ThinkPad batteries also tend to loose capacity rather quickly? In addition we already have the second X1 Yoga with a broken hinge within three years of normal usage in my family (luckily this device has a five year warranty, so we'll see if the warranty covers it) ...

Maybe this has changed since the first L13 Yoga (haven't read about any new hardware from Lenovo since then), but these were the main reasons why I decided to buy one of the last new L390 Yogas instead of its successor and why I no longer consider ThinkPads to be more desirable than any other laptop.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

KDE will return to its rightful throne.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not Power Profiles Daemon...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah, this was the saddest part of the announcement for me. Just when amd_pstate was getting good and power-profiles-daemon provided an easy way to toggle its performance state.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What disgusts me the most about Red Hat is their fake focus on "the open source community." The fact is, the "community" is nothing more to them than free labor. They only seek out and merge changes and fixes that appeal to their enterprise customers. Fuck them, they're getting paid, so let them do it themselves IMO.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

I used to like RedHat.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

To be honest, those never really worked reliably. i don't know where really lies the issue but loading a bunch of file and some file can freeze, make the app unresponsible that only a kill can resolve.
Is it a gstreamer issue? Rhythmbox has always looked bloated and never able to do what a simple audacious can do with the same file collection.

Regarding RHEL, they are pushing ITs to the cloud and not their own, I mean, I will do the necessary to not promote, support their products.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Such a shame. The best distro out there being hurt by these decisions...

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