Am from Italy, italians are the whitest of the whites. Rome, the church, the basis of modern Patriarchy and white supremacy was born and raised here folks
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I'm from Italy as well. I always like to remember a quote from Charles Mingus, who at some point in his career had an entire black band with the exception of his sax player, Charlie Mariano. When asked about it, he answered something along of the lines of "He's not white, he's Italian."
Maybe the social meaning of ethnicity is really relative to the racist empires they're situated in and not on some sort of inherent value
yea, its because the Italians (and Irish, Chinese, etc as well) generally came to America later and were poorer than the British/French/Germans etc were, so they were often discriminated against (plus the mafia thing, but that also generally comes from being poorer)
That's great and all, but it means nothing to race theorists.
I don't know what you define as that demographic, but what I said is just the truth. The culture in Italy is very mixed and different between regions, but racism, both cultural and structural, is rampant, even between Italians of the north and south
Holy Roman Empire of German Nation was a thing once...
the basis of modern Patriarchy
So pagans weren’t white?
white supremacy was born
The Norse?
What a weird definition you use
What I meant is simply that the roman empire and the Catholic church forged ideological colonial basis of today, not that racism didn't exist before
Also I meant Patriarchy as an overarching colonial institution, not as an isolated cultural concept. The world wasn't always universally like this, there are many examples of non (or less) patriarchal societies throughout history, and we don't know enough about prehistory to make any definitive judgement on humanity
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white supremacy was born
The Norse?
Where in the world does that come from?
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I'm latino and I still do not understand how the fuck you man manage to live always looking at whiteness. Such an hysteria with the skin color.
Latinos also act prejudiced to those darker than them
Well I should have specified I'm not from US too. I realize there's racism eveywhere but classism is worse here in southamerica I believe. We aren't eveyday doing that colorism thing for sure.
Yep, Jamaican here. Everyone is black, but there's a huge problem with "bleaching" where people are whitening their skin color, as they perceive it to be of higher status.
I think skin bleaching might be a rampant issue. iirc Africans and Asians also do it. Everyone seems to want lighter skin. Wonder if it's due to Western influence.
Isn't tanning a form of "skin darkening"
At least some of it comes from outdoor workers being darker from sun exposure and then cultures associate "dark = laborer."
I still think it's funny that tanning salons are so popular in the US, to look like you have free time to lounge in the sun.
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This took me too long to understand. Basically saying how Luigi is treated will determine if Italians are considered white. If he is treated with respect and not beaten while in custody Italians are confirmed as white people.
Thank you. I'm slow.
they're trying to make him sound insane by referring to his manifesto with vague and scary language so I think we got our answer
Well I actually laughed aloud at this on the train. I'm pretty much generic white looking, but have wondered if my resume ever got treated differently for the very Italian last name.
I have a very Italian full name and definitely got treated differently when I was younger. Growing up in a rural area, many of my teachers would ask me to translate Spanish for them. Oh boy.
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he's not just Italian, he's so Italian that he was named the way jowling kowling rowling would name a token Italian character in harry potter
im italian and dont consider myself white
Do you consider yourself a POC?
i dont know? i mean my skin isn't white. i have a darker shade complexion than a "white" person. somewhat similar to someone from a med/middle eastern country.
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I'm not white or Italian, I just like to complain on YouTube videos where a non Italian makes inauthentic Italian food.
Makes me feel like a real ally who is standing up for something.
I like to complain on YouTube videos where an Italian makes food with tomatoes and calls it authentic Italian food because tomatoes are Mexican. Get on my level.
So you heard it here, folks. Pizza is not Italian.
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