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Sorry (🍁) we did this without making a post, but after receiving several complaints we defederated from hexbear.net yesterday.

Here's a few quick examples of poor conduct by hexbear users:

They warned their users to behave themselves, but that didn't work: https://hexbear.net/post/280770?scrollToComments=false

Please read and respect the rules of the community instance in which you are posting/commenting. Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric with sources to dismantle western propaganda. Posting the western atrocity propaganda and pig poop balls is hilarious but will pretty quickly get you banned and if enough of us do it defederated. Realize that you are a representative of the hexbear instance when you post on other instances.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I have been visiting hexbear recently. I have discovered that there is a great deal of content there that is important to me and that I have been "protected" from. It's clearly a legitimate instance with a dedicated administration team. The Lemmiverse is moving fast and changing dramatically. Would @[email protected], @[email protected], et al consider reviewing this decision now that it is about a year later?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Always open to reconsidering things. Can you give some examples of the content you're missing?

Tbh when I go look at their local feed it just seems like all shitposts

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

For example, c/food is the best general population food forum I've ever seen for my particular needs. A lot of the non-vegan parts of the site is not just tolerant but considerate to vegans. That's frigging unheard of. I don't know what the big deal with shit posters is, but that is hardly the only or defining feature of the culture.

I feel like if you wade into a community you're not a member of and don't understand looking for shit posts, a lot of things are going to look like shit posts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago

Thanks for the input! Discussing it with the other admins.

[–] [email protected] 122 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I browsed a bit there. All I saw was trolls planning to troll. They won't be missed.

Federation is working.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Until they decide to 'raid' instances and start their circus again.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Oh, they already are raiding and brigading. Take a look at any post remotely mentioning China, Russia or Ukraine on lemmy.ml or any other instance still federated with them. 90% of the comments will be Hexbear users trolling, harassing people or spreading disinformation, shutting out any real discussion.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I hope the admins on those raided instances are more effective than the admins on hexbear were.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I noticed a few of them posting Russian propaganda the other day. Nothing of value was lost.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They absolutely do. They are freaks of nature.

Essentially communists who support the war crimes committed in Ukriane and the idea of Russian imperialism since it somehow in their twisted little minds equates to a Soviet Union born again.

Wrap your head around that.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I still just don't understand why they defend Russia or China, I don't think there's a single state mechanism you can point to that's truly functionally communistic.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

They get it into their heads that they're smarter than everyone else because they have views that aren't popular, and shut out any evidence that their views might just be wrong and actively harmful.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm all for differing viewpoints but they were just trolls.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

Yeah we gave them a chance, but I don't think many of their users were ready for the Lemmy experience so they kind of wandered into All expecting to behave the same as on their "CTH" community, with some of them clearly out to "troll normies/libs".

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Good work! Thank you. Hexbear users are trolls. They’re not in it for discussion in good faith. I’ve blocked a few offenders here and there but honestly I think the culture there is so toxic that we’re better off not being federated with them.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

100% agree that they are trolls. They flood any China news posts (that's not on lemmy.world) with a truckload of pro-China comments, taking advantage of the fact that a sizeable portion of Lemmy users won't be able to see and downvote them. Whenever someone replies to them with well-thought-out arguments supporting "the western authoritarians," half of them replies with huge and ugly emojis, while the other half parrots more Chinese propaganda (that actually sound well-written if you disregard the fact that China is an oppressive regime).

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I just moved instances because my old favorite has so far refused to defederate. I'm willing to deal with the idiot takes, the trolling, the nonsense sources that are almost always youtube videos, and their impressive ability to both support and denounce authoritarianism in the same breath. It's important for me to look at propaganda from multiple perspectives so that I can try to think through it and understand where other people are coming from. But 99% of the time they don't even express real opinions; they just flood posts they don't like with obnoxious images. Just for that, I'd take Lemmygrad over Hexbear any day of the week

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I said this in the last thread announcing defederation from them...

Freedom of speech doesn't mean an obligation to listen.

Good for you! I saw some of their posts pop up in my feed and had to block them too. Just too much edgelord stupidity.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I might have to make a new account here. I made a comment and then edited it to address a Q_Anon adjacent hexbear user that replied to me. It's really strange. They say they are extreme leftists on their sidebar, but their politics are anti-Western, which puts them essentially with NK, China, and Russia, which are an authoritarian brand of communist or fascist that prosecutes and imprisons trans, LGBTQ+, etc,.

At this point I think they are simply trying to get reactions and shit stir for lulz. Getting told I should die because I corrected a Hexbear's use of misinformation is surreal. I never thought an extreme Leftist or five would openly and brazenly support a regime that literally made supporting LGBTQ+ stuff a crime only a year or two ago. It's wild.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are, who we call tankies. Propaganda spreading scumbags here to wreck communities and cause discord and chaos for Russia and China among other countries trying to wreak havoc. They're doing it because of the Ukraine war. Block them and do not use instances that federate with them.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (6 children)

What's wrong with hating landlords?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Calling for execution of anyone seems a bit extreme to me.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (39 children)

No calls for violence seems like a simple rule. And not every landlord is greedy mcshitstain with 50 properties, many of them are a single family with their starter home rented out, or a couple renting out their extra room.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nothing's wrong with hating landlords. I hate landlords. Lots of people hate landlords. There's a difference between calling for economic reform and calling for mass executions.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (11 children)

some landlords might have to go but there are degrees. Speculating in housing is unethical, but a small land leech isn't some kulag who needs to be ended.

Also, property managers, really? They are just wage workers.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You made the right decision. Hexbear users aren't here to discuss anything in good faith, they're here to brigade and harass. That's all I've seen from them ever since they federated.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I checked out the instance and at least half the comments on federation posts were just plotting how to annoy other communities, not splitting their "force" too wide, and taking bets on how long until they're defederated. Not worth our time.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Calling for exections of landlords

Link doesn't work for me, but without any context: kind of hilarious.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've mixed feelings about this. But I support the admins, generally, and will assume they are acting in good faith.

This is sort of like an email provider getting their domain blacklisted. Yes, it hurts some legitimate users, but they are a source of spam and crap and the nuclear option is legitimate.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

In my opinion, good choice. It had to be done. Won't be missed.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

I saw some reallllly really sketchy takes from some @hexbear accounts on the fediverse, but my instance had already defederated from them without much fanfare, so I didn't know exactly what their deal was (our admin has a really reasonable head on his shoulders.)

This clears up a lot.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Their post about our defederation is absolutely unhinged, I must say – top keks if you can handle reading it. Seriously, though, I am quite shocked at the amount of vitriol on their instance; being a leftist myself, I don't really understand the point of being mean to everyone that they would presumably want to help via their politics.

β€œOh, you live in a Western country and are subject to late-stage capitalist horrors? Let me save you – wait, you don't agree with me? Then go screw yourself, good luck in the revolution.”

Certainly education would be the solution, overcome the Stockholm syndrome?

Oh well, good riddance.

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