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As the title says, I want to finally degoogle (completely) my life. I've found a Pixel 7 8/128 for ~270€ (or pixel 8? ~470€ but no white :c) it's refurbished so google doesn't get a shit from me.

I'm curious to know if:

  • You can change the default icons color (black and gray-ish in the image) or is based on the wallpaper
  • The camera app is good. Not going to make professional pics or videos but I still want to use it to take pics and a good quality is important. Tried their camera on a phone and the bottom menu to switch mode (picture/video/night mode/etc) was buggy
  • Battery life is better/worse than stock Android (if anyone tried that)
  • How the sandboxed play services work
  • Anything else that I should know about. Some people say it's good, some it's bad so I'm curious to know.

I'm still looking for a good maps replacement, Organic Map is not the best because it's missing a lot of places where I live. I wish there was a google wallet Foss alternative... I needed it to use my card with the phone (rare but still possible!)

Help a new user to fully leave shitty phone companies

~~Edit: Does it have some kind of cross profile notifications? Can I see notifications of another profile on the main?~~

GrapheneOS supports forwarding notifications from users running in the background to the currently active user. Forwarding notifications to other users is disabled by default and can be enabled within each user profile where forwarding to the active profile is wanted. Notifications forwarded from other profiles are displayed by default in a standard local notification channel.

It does

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[–] Anon518 6 points 1 hour ago

Ironic since you have to buy a Google phone to use that OS.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)
  • You can change the default icons color (black and gray-ish in the image) or is based on the wallpaper

Sort of. There's a selectable "highlight color" that sets the vibe for the phone. I enable the feature that makes it pick a prominent color from my current phone background image, and I find it really nice.

  • The camera app is good. Not going to make professional pics or videos but I still want to use it to take pics and a good quality is important. Tried their camera on a phone and the bottom menu to switch mode (picture/video/night mode/etc) was buggy

The camera app is the least buggy, and fastest to load, that I've had on Android in a long time. The picture quality is fine. The features are pretty standard - nothing fancy.

  • Battery life is better/worse than stock Android (if anyone tried that)

My battery life on GrapheneOS is waaaay better. I assume this is thanks to GrapheneOS having great defaults for restricting apps from running in the background without explicitly getting my permission.

  • How the sandboxed play services work

I have more idea than a lot of folks, but I'm not in the headspace to articulate that today, sorry. Fundamentally, it just dumps the "phone home to Google" calls into nowhere, while telling (lying to) the app that the call was a success. Annecdotaly, this works perfectly for 80% of apps I care about, including my bank app.

  • Anything else that I should know about. Some people say it's good, some it's bad so I'm curious to know.

Profiles were still clumsy last time I used them, and overkill for most users. In my informed non-expert opinion, many folks underestimate how much the default permissions scheme in GrapheneOS protects them without enabling profiles. That said, if I absolutely had to use a work nanny app with extensive permissions, I would enable profiles for that, if I was somehow absolutely unable to buy a dedicated separate phone to install it on. Otherwise, I think profiles cause a lot of folks to give up on running GrapheneOS, in cases where they would have been fine without profiles.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Hi friend!

  • One of the best things abiut GrapheneOS is being able to easily restrict network access for apps. So for a camera app, you can use anything you want, even Google Camera, and just turn off network access so there is no way for Google to spy. The suggestion of OpenCamera is also good. It has a lot of power and options.

  • Battery life should be just as good, more or less.

  • Sandboxed play services basically means that GrapheneOS gives it fewer permissions on your phone. Normally it has a very privileged position in the OS and is fairly imvasive.

  • Its user profiles are very powerful and I highky recommend using them. I recommend not installing samdboxed google play services on yiur main (owner) profile. If you do end up needing google play services for an app, it is better to put it in a separate profile.

If it is helpful, I think of Degoogling as being mostly about replacing services. Graphene is a good atep, but definitely do a checklist of Google services that you use and slowly replace them and take control over your digital spaces. I would recommend dealing with your email as a top priority. Buying a domain (use a common/safe tld) so that you own your address (e.g. [email protected]) will mean no company can ever prevent you from sending or receiving emails on a whim. Using something like fastmail to receive and send emails via your domain will be the easiest first step.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago
  • YES! That's an amazing permission I wish to see on normal OS but that's something they'll never do. I downloaded OpenCamera and it was super confusing. I have to go back to it
  • Battery life is not a big problem but I was curious to know if was good/bad
  • Yeah, something I hate! So many unnecessary permissions. Fuck google
  • it's interesting. I'll make a "FUCK GOOGLE" profile if I'll ever need to use play services and I want to isolate some apps I can't avoid

I made a post here some time ago and replaced most of my apps but it's not enough! I want to replace phone and OS now and tale full control of my data (or do my best). I have protonmail as personal mail, and best or not, I like it. Sadly, I can't find a replacement for YouTube (site) because invidious instances don't have all the videos from channels I follow

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
  1. Can't change the default icons on the default launcher. I think custom launchers may be able to.
  2. I use Open Camera whose quality I would say is fine for my purposes (no kind of professional photography, just taking pics for record-keeping, to show people things, etc)
  3. Battery life is way better than stock Android IME. It makes sense cause stock GrapheneOS is so debloated and isn't running all these spyware services in the background.
  4. You go to the app called "App Store" (preinstalled), download Google Play, then you use it like a normal Google Play app. Very user-friendly.

Been exclusively using GrapheneOS for ages, never had any problems. It's very easy to install (especially now they have a WebUSB installer) and even easier to use.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
  1. I asked the color, I know I can't change the icons without a launcher
  2. For me it's confusing but just downloaded and opened it, I have to try before judging
  3. Makes sense!
  4. So I can make a new profile, name it(?) "FUCK GOOGLE" and install the google play app there. Not sure if I'll ever use it but I know I can do it

Yeah the flashing through chromium browser. Need to install one for that purpose but I'll do it. Thank you

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I asked the color, I know I can’t change the icons without a launcher

Yeah I was including colour changing as an icon change. The colours don't change based on wallpaper nor are they customisable in default launcher.

So I can make a new profile, name it(?) “FUCK GOOGLE” and install the google play app there. Not sure if I’ll ever use it but I know I can do it

Yep, GOS profiles (and maybe Android profiles, not used stock Android in so long so I wouldn't know) act like a completely different phone basically, so you can have GPlay installed in one profile and it won't affect the other profiles at all.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Uh weird! Others said it's possible to do it.

That's awesome! I want to isolate a few apps

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Uh weird! Others said it’s possible to do it.

Huh. Possibly it is and I just don't know about it then? At the very least it doesn't change purely based off wallpaper. It doesn't change based on Material You colours either. If they're customisable some other way then I don't know about it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

I'm a photographer and don't find the stock GOS camera to be good enough. I use BigKaka's GCAM mod which is Google's camera with even more features. It doesn't require internet access and everything works in version 9.2 on my Pixel 8. It doesn't require google photos like the stock GCam.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Thanks, I'm going to check this out. I'm using Gcam but love that there is something better.

FYI you don't need google photos even though its a requirement. Basically I cant take a picture and then click the little photo thumb to see it. I need to exit the app and click my photo app (the stock GOS one) to open up my photos. "Inconvenient" but really no big deal.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

There is GCam photos preview on Izzyondroid (or Calyx) f-droid repo that is supposed to allow you to preview photos using the little photo thumb while using stock GCam.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Is it foss and is this why its not on fdroid.

Also anyone know how to contact said bigkaka?

Edit: forgot somthing

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

It's not FOSS as it's a modded version of Google Camera which is not open source.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Thats a shame

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I've tried all the other map apps, and while they work great for navigation, there's no replacement for reviews on Google Maps. So it's the one Google service I still use.

If you need Google Play services I recommend installing them on a separate profile using Shelter. It's really easy to do. I use that profile for Google Maps and a few other items the require Play services.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

For me Google Maps is good because has all the places I need near me and what not, other maps don't have all of them

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

You could consider adding what is missing to OpenStreetMaps so others later will not have the same experience and want to go back to Google Maps

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Organic Maps gets their map data from OpenStreetMap (OSM). All OSM stuff is open source and the data is entered in by volunteers. If your area doesn't have much yet, you should consider being the change by adding your favorite spots!

Other people have mentioned things like StreetComplete, which is an app that helps you fill in the gaps of some OSM data.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

StreetComplete from F-Droid is what you need for this

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

I can try it. Thank you

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I've been using Organic Maps lately and found that at least in my area it has more detail than google.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Not for me, unfortunately

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I use magic earth for maps. It lacks in a lot of ways but is a usable map and navigation system. I like the nav and some of the features bit has (safety alerts, reported police) but the map detail kind of sucks. You zoom in and not every street name is shown. But try it and see if it works for you.

Battery life will be better, and by how much depends on your setup and usage. For instance, I have play services installed, which does eat some battery. But I also turn off location, Bluetooth, mic, camera and sometimes WiFi. I only turn services on when I want to use them. That saves battery. So expect good battery life, but don't expect any miracles.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 minutes ago

Remember that you can add missing ways by yourself at https://osm.org

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I will try it later! Sadly, even organic map is good but misses some good stuff or it's not perfect

Damn, you reminded me I have to find some automation apps to disable Bluetooth/wifi based on location. Nothing foss as far as I know (tasker or automate are not foss)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Bluetooth I have on a timer. If I have no connection to a device for 10 min (this is adjustable) then it turns itself off. This is a built in feature with GOS.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

As with most others I use a different launcher but I switched user accounts to try it out for you and you can theme those icons and then pick a single colour, a trio of colours or choose wallpaper to colour the icons in other colours other than black and white.

I use open camera which has always been fine for my needs and doesnt include any meta data with the saved images.

Battery life has been absolutely fine for me but I never used the stock ROM for comparison.

Sandboxed stuff I've used has always worked as is expected but I dont use a lot of apps tbh

I use organic maps but again I very rarely use maps and it can be a bit odd in the way it works but still it has got me where I've been going each time.

I think it is great and wouldn't want to switch back here is a page that lists all bank app compatability as that is a common concern for people.

Hope some of this helps :)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Then it works as I thought. Thank you!

Where can I download OpenCamera? Aurora? Fdroid? (~~I'll search there, not trying to be lazy LOL~~ found on fdroid)

For the rest, good to know!

Sadly, both apps are not there so they are not compatible or hopefully not yet tested

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Can you enable metadata in open camera or is it permanently off? I like metadata on my photos..

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago

There are quite a few options but you can enable location, pitch/yaw data, phone exif data all independently of each other as well as add custom exif data of your choosing.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

U can change icons etc by installing different launcher fdroid has a bunch take a look through to find one u like.

There are a few apps that wont work amazon prime is one. My banking apps work but some people have had issues. Overall ive had no issues that i couldnt solve with dr gpt. Would reccommend.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

I tried a few launchers and NeoLauncher is the one I'm currently using. Lawnchair has something I didn't like but I don't remember what lol

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago (9 children)

I have tried on several occasions to like GrapheneOS. But every time I install it on my Pixel 7, basic functionality breaks. Things like receiving regular phone calls, as in people calling my number using a normal phone. GrapheneOS will sometimes not even ring and immediately display a notification saying "Missed call". If my phone cannot be used as a .. phone, what good is is?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

Hell my android does that

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Batter was better. Like by a lot. It became normal when I installed the google play sandbox.

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