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I for one have stopped posting any content to lemmy.ml communities.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago

lemmy.ml users reaction:

A scene from Rick and Morty saying "Okay then, that was always allowe!"

[–] [email protected] 47 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (28 children)

"We should defederate from everything which does not agree with my .world view and create a giant centralized echo chamber"!

Why the fuck does every .world user suddenly want Lemmy to be Reddit?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Personally I would like to be able to talk to people with different views, in a civil manner. But Lemmy.ml doesn't seem to want that. If you post something that they don't like (even if it's a very moderate view and is expressed in a completely civil way) then they ban you. They seem to really hate moderate people.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (15 children)

Most of the users saying this went around screaming the word Tankie all over the place on .ml.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 6 days ago (10 children)

Listen. Just fuckin listen to me. The moment I joined lemmy every enthusiast was singing praise to the fediverse and how it's easy to maintain the freedom of speach and yada yada yada. What it turned out to be is just constant quarrels between instances, defederations and crap like that while lemmy still fucking struggles to even become a mere shadow of reddit. I fucking hate reddit, I think spez should be covered in fire ants, but by god, looking at how insufferable most vocal lemmy users are, I may get back to reddit, probably as many other lemmy users already did.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 6 days ago

If it helps, most of this inter-instance drama comes from a surprisingly small group of people. I've blocked most of them (looks like I missed the OP here) and it's much quieter now. Looking at my block list, they're mostly from .world, but that could be due to the large population.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It is easy to maintain freedom of speech on Lemmy. The idea that your instance can defederate from instances like Lemmy.ml, but everyone on Lemmy.ml can continue to post on their own server, and federate with any other given server by default is the entire point of federation and proof of concept that the fediverse is great for free speech. You’re under the impression that all Lemmy servers are supposed to be part of one big whole, but that’s not what the fediverse is for.

You have to understand that “free speech” is a negative freedom and it doesn’t mean everyone has to listen to you. It just means nobody can force you not to speak.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If you're unhappy why stay? Personally I'm happy with the Lemmyverse as it stands now — certainly happier than in the corporate lowest-common-denominator that is now Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

same logic as "if u hate america then leave".

some people want to do their part to make the site (or country) better. they cant do that by giving up and going back to reddit. lemmy is great....but it could be better.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I wonder how long until .world defederates from .world.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago
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[–] [email protected] 38 points 6 days ago

I don't think the meme makes sense. The ml users don't seem to care how much other content is out there. They still participate as much as they'd like.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Why would you want to create an echo chamber? I genuinely don't get it, it's the internet, if you encounter an opinion you disagree with, literally just close the tab and it's gone

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Most people on here don't mind being exposed to different viewpoints. If you ask me, even some - or even most, IDK - tankies are fine to talk to, even argue with, as they are usually civil.

The problem is that there are a lot of users on the *.ml instances who are not interested in debate, they just keep repeating the same 2-3 slogans over and over again in smug superiority as a reply to everything, and mods ban people randomly the same way.

When you meet some users who reply "you are misled by Western media" to anything you say as a final and incontrovertible argument, that's not a good faith debate I'm willing to participate in.

The problem is not the differing opinions, but the differing norms for polite conversation and good faith arguments.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Another day of .world reddit migrants thinking de-federating or boycotting .ml will change literally anything.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It will. It will change which instance they shriek "tankie!" at.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (6 children)

I like the idea of growing non-ml community, however, I wish larger instances do not block ML. Otherwise, they would just move to lemmy.ee or lemmy.one, just like how they moved from hexbear and grad to ml.

It is great tankies got their own place where they can be happy, but I really don't want to interact with them. I am emotional about issues they engage in, and emotional me is usually not the nicest version of myself.

Social media is one of the few ways I can relax for couple hours per week outside of my job, and I really don't want my social media experience to go full investigative journalism.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 days ago

ml makes sense on the fediverse. That's kind of the whole point. Same with Linux.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago (8 children)

https://sh.itjust.works/c/meanwhileongrad

Here is a nice community that keeps track of their bullshit

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago (40 children)

Can someone inform me about what's wrong with lemmy.ml?

[–] starman2112 32 points 6 days ago (16 children)

The ml stands for Marxist-Leninist, and the admins are tankies

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago (21 children)
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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Lemmy.ml is the instance admin'd by the developers of Lemmy, who are Marxists. Lemmy.world is admin'd and moderated by liberals who generally are hostile towards Marxism, and have defederated from the 2 largest explicitly Marxist instances as a result.

Users generally prefer Lemmy.ml or Lemmy.world depending on their opinions on Marxism and Communism vs liberalism and Capitalism. We are on Lemmy.world right now, which is going to have far more people agreeing with OP than if this was posted on Lemmy.ml, where users hold the opposite opinion, that Lemmy.world is a problem (generally).

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago

They do not support the Biden administrations genocide in Gaza.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I'm out of the loop, what's going on?

[–] GhiLA 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

We have to fight ourselves instead of conservatives because someone's left isn't the right shade of blue.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago

Lemmy.ml spreads a lot of propaganda/disinformation, has opaque and questionable moderation, and regularly advocates for violence.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Posting this to lemmy.world, lol

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago (11 children)

The irony of a community promoting socialism while also instabanning anyone for the slightest wiff of criticism is just chef's kiss peak representation of why their system is doomed.

If you can't withstand the slightest nudge of criticism how are you even going to attempt to provide a governance system based on any kind of economic directive? If Marx could see what you guys have become he'd personally wipe his ass with your lame ml instance

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I feel like I'm missing something important here as a simple fediverse user. I don't really care about the politics, I just made an account during the first large Reddit exodus and choose an instance I thought would persist. I also made a second account on kbin.social, but it looks pretty dead as a project.

I never noticed anything described in this thread, but I'm subbed to many communities across the fediverse...

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago
  • posted on *.world
[–] nicomachus 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

We should leave the m federated on most instances as a honeypot for them. This way they don’t join other instances.

It’s like when you give a kid a video game controller without batteries.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago

I see the liberals who got upset at bluesky being a "tankie echo chamber" are right at home on lemmy.world where they year for nothing but a Reddit 2.0 where 90% of the content is fed through a handful of professional content astroturfers or bot accounts linked to three-letter agencies.

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