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[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 hours ago (4 children)

I work in IT. I usually call my job "IT support" but I'm also technically the system admin, and network admin.

Today, I had someone ask me to delete a calendar for them in Outlook. It wasn't a shared or special calendar, it was literally just a calendar in their normal outlook.

Bear in mind, they didn't ask how to do it. They asked me to do it.

That's a skill issue right there. I'm not in the business of doing other people's work for them. Now and then I'll entertain the odd request of "how do I do x" and show someone how to get something done, mainly because it's a lot less effort than telling them that I didn't go to university for teaching, and all three ensuing arguments thereafter, because there's always arguments.

But this was straight up "do my job for me".

Lol, no, I have my own shit to do.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 hours ago

"skill issue" ticket closed

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The number of people who think that IT is supposed to know how to use every program and fix everything within those programs is a lot. I've had several engineers, programmers, designers, accountants, executives of who knows what consistently ask to fix their work or how to do whatever it is. I always try to point them in the right direction or help but other people in my field hate even that because it sets a precedent that the next time they need help they think they can ask again.

If I knew all of their jobs thoroughly like they seem to think, I wouldn't be getting paid half what they are. I would need to be paid twice what they are, to support all of those positions in that way.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I'm a lot like you. For the most part, I try to look beyond the question being asked, and find the root cause. If the root cause is because of a skill issue, I'll direct them to the next logical resource. If it's not a skill issue, or I can't determine that it's a skill issue, then I'll continue to test until I can make that determination.

9 times out of 10, if I find a solution to make a thing work in a program, I'll share that with them, and let them take it from there.

A lot of the people I support are working in the finance space and my company has an entire support department for finance applications. I'll either bounce the problem off of them, or just direct them to the finance support team for guidance.

This wasn't either of those things. It wasn't even asking how. It was straight up telling me to do a thing for them, in a program they should know how to use. It's not a complex finance program or anything, it's literally Outlook.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Yeah, Outlook has a lot of little things that throw people. Just getting people to find the view settings they want is tough sometimes, and font size in outlook doesn't change with the character size of the OS being changed. Automatically disabling com add-ons that are supposed to not disable by group policy do to "slow start times" of outlook. Online calendars are a mess, sync issues, filter issues, spam issues, the spam blockers within the admin console of o365. Convincing people to get rid of .pst files. .pst files not being compatible with onedrive, importing .pst files to their online archive (which is really just a second email storage on the back end). Takes forever, then half don't import properly, then you get them to re-run it and maybe it works but you have duplicates. Deleted emails that need recovery a month after they realized they needed it.

Sometimes it makes me realize why companies push users to just use the Webapp, but there's always something.

Didn't even touch the distros or shared emails/calendars yet lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

One of the things I had to learn quick working in IT was when to amiably tell a user to go pound sand. I'm a professional with my own work to do, not your personal assistant.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Whoa, I wonder how you worded that. Was it a straight up no? Lol

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago

The short version is that I explained that we have a company policy that we are support, not education.

This is not a support issue because no technical issue is preventing the user from getting this completed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 44 minutes ago

I've had corporate VPs ask me to PDF Excel files because they don't know how.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

Even in IT I find that with each consecutive job that I get, my wage increases while my workload decreases. I'm literally being paid more to do less. I don't think it's the same for all these professionals but I feel that once most people reach a certain level, they mentally retire from learning new things.

[–] heavy 23 points 3 hours ago

Sorry if you need to learn this, but compensation has little to do with ability or merit in a lot of place that need to screen share.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

As someone who had to struggle in a meeting because I'd never shared my screen in Teams before and they put it in some weird place, I feel attacked

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Same, always used Google Meet, was forced to use teams. It took me a second to find the right button while rambling about it. Being a Mac I also needed to enable the permission and restart.

I haven't used Zoom in a while either, it would probably take me a second as well if it's not obvious.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

Microsoft: "Here, have some shitty arcane dysfunctional software."

Me: "Damn, this is hard to use."

IT Guy: "Damn, I can't believe you get paid to work here."

Also IT Guy: low whisper "Fuck, they moved the button again. This is going to take me a minute."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The amount of people who spend 0.12 seconds trying to figure shit out before throwing their hands up and saying "this is impossible, I can't find it" is wild. Every time I use a new program, I go through it with excruciating depth, changing settings and finding how to do things. It usually takes 5 minutes or less.

The people who are just immediately helpless are the ones being bitched about here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 46 minutes ago

This, when I've got a new program or a program has updated I take my time to familiarise myself with it, it takes me more than five minutes because I'm visually impaired and have a learning disability, but it doesn't take that long and I have fun exploring the program without pressure.

But when a program updates the UI the morning I start work and I realise I've got 5 minutes to figure out where everything has moved? It's overwhelming and unfortunately I have a "freeze" response to stress and it took me years of therapy to push through that gut instinct to freeze up and just stare at it feeling like it's too much and I can't.

That said, I do still really struggle to find the button mid-meeting. I can vamp, but I can't vamp while properly searching my screen because with my visual impairment that takes too much concentration, so the result is "okay I'm going to share my screen, but my UI has updated so everyone go refresh your coffees while I hunt down the screen share button" and some helpful person will try to explain where the button is, not understanding that my screen doesn't look like there's because I have adaptive software making things larger.

Though a few times I've logged a ticket to IT saying "I'm sorry, I know the issues exists between keyboard and chair on this one, I can't for the life of me find the print button" and they'll remote into my machine and say "oh, that's because you're enlarged font has pushed half your toolbar off the screen entirely. You're missing a bunch of features" and suddenly it made sense why I felt like my co-workers were more efficient in these programs. Unfortunately they couldn't fix it so I still have to work around only being able to see half the screen of this program they suggested "returning everything to the original aspect ratio and getting better glasses"

My boss seems to think our little 2 man IT department can fix Adobe's bad adaptive UI.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I have an ongoing theory that every time you locate what you’re looking for in a Microsoft project, a random number generator determines if it will be moved, and where to

My god all these admin centers and their old and new versions. Four places to do any one thing and maybe one of them has documentation that’s up to date.

There are at least three locations to disable user accounts. Two of them require a setting of “True” and the third one “False”. Drives me mad.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago

If you find it too fast you won't see the ads they've imbedded in their menus.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

It's not hard to find the camera button

It would take less time than the bitching

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

the giant share button at the top was too obvious?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

My company switched from webex to teams with no transition time, the first 10 minutes of most meetings for a few weeks was "Am I audible?", "I'm not sure how to share my screen", "I started recording, you'll have to unmute yourself again."

It was agony, but it wasn't due to anyone's incompetence.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

nah, thats normal lol

[–] [email protected] 66 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The sheer volume of people I've encountered through numerous jobs that are on high wages but lack basic skills astounds me.

[–] [email protected] 96 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

They have other skills you don't have, that are more important for those high paying jobs.

Like faking genuine interest in the shit their higher-ups blather on about, convincingly laughing at racist and misogynist jokes, backstabbing their peers when a position opens up, and doing the most demeaning tasks with a smile and a "thank you".

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 hours ago

"Soft skills"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago

They have other skills

Press X to doubt

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Don't forget rudely asking the flight attendant to bring another warm moist hand towel as I have spilled my pre-flight mojito.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 hours ago

I thought you'd go a different route and I was ready to fight. But yes. This sums it up pretty well. I quit my last job with a (roughly translated) "you're an idiot, go fuck yourself. I'm polishing up my vita" and it was SO great.

[–] [email protected] 117 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (4 children)

Some millionaire in my office: "Hey, Sanctus, what's my password for my computer again?"

Me, who can barely afford to fix my car: fights the urge to use a letter opener as a weapon

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

"Sorry, that's above my pay-grade."

[–] [email protected] 84 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

That’s a really long password no wonder they forgot it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Those do make good passwords though. Had a company switch from 10 characters including special, caps, numbers lower upper requirements to 15+ with no requirements because it still would end up being harder to crack. Started using phrases where you could even put spaces, but in all lower case for me if was much quicker to type

Tangerine$45 is much harder for me to type than whatthefuckamidoinghere

I think it's because I have to pause to think shift 4, then hit 4 and remember if my fingers are still by the 4.

All just examples but the standard keys... Are all automatic for me because of use.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

Got me, haha. Thanks for the laugh.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 hours ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Depends, if you treat the individual letters sure but if you look at the words as the atom of information most password crackers wouldn’t take long.

[–] ayyy 18 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Horse battery staple moment

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Your password is "giveMeFuckingRaise!1!1"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago

"Oh yeah, no wonder I keep forgetting it"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (3 children)

I don’t blame anyone for forgetting their password—it’s a dumb system, having to memorize 100 separate 16-digit randomly generated base64 codes that change once a month. However, I do blame them for not using a password manager, and I do blame them for making their problems other people’s problems.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

Ours isn't like that at all. They dont even have to change it every three months. The insecurity is crazy here and they still can't remember the same password they've had since before I started working here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

However, I do blame them for not using a password manager

Managing the passwords in your password manager becomes a job in and of itself when you've got enough of them floating around. My office is on year two of trying to do automatic password rotation for the myriad of service accounts in our systems. Anything that's not Active Directory integrates is a headache. And even the ones that are have to constantly stay ahead of the Microsoft Updates curve or run into security problems of all sorts.

It would be cool if everything could be SSO, but you need to have a certain amount of faith in your OS to accomplish that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

I was against you until password manger. good save. I login to dozens of systems every day, I remember 2 passwords, all others are 16 character gibberish.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

I work on a team that teaches courses on how to use specific programs. I’m at job level 1. A job level 3 guy keeps asking me to schedule meetings with him so I can teach him how to use the specific programs so then he can do the job he was hired for and teach other people how to use these specific programs.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago

time to switch places.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 hours ago

Sounds like you're doing a job level 4. Time to get paid, brother.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago

Bruh, I'm not one for office drama, but I would recommend keeping records of that if no-one else knows he's doing that to you.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

The people with the worst virtual meeting presences are the VPs and above. They expect us to shovel their shit. Like, buy a fucking mic and a light, pay for more than DSL broadband, and shut the fucking door so I can stop hearing whatever your teenage asshole kid is doing.

EDIT: FWIW managers at most levels aren't much better, they live by the example set by the superiors they so idolize.