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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Craziest thing about this graphic is that it leaves so many major issues off while also covering so much horseshit.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Was gonna say, wheres the fascism going retro?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

no board is big enough to put all the problems

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

At this point I think the GOP are just taunting people who won't bring kids into this. Jokes on them though, if theyre having kids from some sort obligation and not to love and properly nurture them it's just bad news for everyone involved. Have fun with all that trauma.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Conservatives are often very insecure people who have never overcome their own childhood trauma or understood why they want children. That trauma and insecurity just gets passed down.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

I know, I'm the child of two. For the last 20 years I've been completely isolated from all my family by no doing of my own. I often wonder what the fuck all that was about. You know, the whole, bringing 4 kids into the world then putting fasicists into power. Like I got problems, true, but I'd of prefered keeping myself and not being a plague to those around me.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah sounds like my childhood. My parents made my life a living hell then suddenly grew up and realized that everyone around them was broken. We have a better relationship but the damage was done long ago to me siblings and we still have problems.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Glad you're ok, and seem pretty cool from the little I know of you. We got a raw deal in all this, you know. I think it's OK to feel that way.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 18 hours ago

Figured out tags. You got my first!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

This plus observing and learning from others convinced me that most people should not have children prior to the age of 30. This is time to grow up, party some, get established, and become yourself. Then you’re ready to parent.

Thanks for the nice words. I’ll keep an eye out for you in the future. Need to figure out Joe to do tags.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Where do you think we get new Republicans from?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago

Generational trauma. It's all just generational trauma.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago (9 children)

The catch-22 is that if the people with environmental values don't have kids, those values aren't passed on to the next generation (unless they become teachers or media personalities).

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You don’t need to have kids to pass on values. The basic premise of your statement doesn’t hold up.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Well, like I mentioned you still need some sort of interaction with kids. Or maybe influence their parents enough to have them indirectly pass on those values you imparted on them. But I still think that if the smartest, kindest, most compassionate people among us stop having kids... well then that's not great for that next generation. I've just always felt that giving up one of the primary factors of life, reproduction, seems very defeatist. But on the other hand, if someone genuinely doesn't want children then by all means don't.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (6 children)

DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN REPEAT DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN

THIS MESSAGE IS FOR ALL RESIDENTS OF PLANET EARTH

NO ONE NEEDS YOU TO BIRTH THEM

ABORT. ABORT. ABORT.

WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE, THE PLANET IS BURNING, THEY WILL NOT LEAD GOOD LIVES. IT'S NOT WORTH IT. PULL OUT BEFORE YOU NUT HOLY CHRIST PLEASE DO NOT HAVE KIDS

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

This is mostly copied over from my recent comments elsewhere, but it is very relevant here too.

By 2030 we are going to be 40% over capacity on fresh water resources globally. and 40% of arable land has already been depleted, and 95% will be by 2050.

And that's just water and food.

Once arctic ice sheet coverage gets below 1,000,000 square kilometres, the planet will be absorbing more heat than it reflects and this is called a Blue Ocean Event.

The BOE will trigger the Clathrate Gun which will cause seabeds to rapidly realease fuck tons of methane, cooking the earth in it's own atmosphere.

2024 Arctic sea ice likely reached its annual minimum extent of 4.28 million square kilometers.

Greenhouse gas emissions are still increasing and fuelled by climate change, the world's oceans have broken temperature records every single day over the past year.

So it's basically a race between whether the drought and famine kill us all first, or the BOE setting off the Clathrate Gun will.

Either way, it is unlikely the human race survives the century. Creating more people to suffer in this dying world, is stupid and cruel and is only going to speed up our demise.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

Well. Fuck.

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[–] girsaysdoom 21 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Please consider adoption as an alternative if you are in a stable situation and want children.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago

You don’t even have to be in a stable situation to be a Big Brother/Sister at your local Boys and Girls club or a court advocate/CASA for a child. Volunteer at a school district. Children recognize how fucked everything is, and on the whole they are suffering. We need kind and loving adults to show up for them - to teach them art and read them stories to show them the parts of living that can hopefully make it worth it.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

What is the acceptable level of tragedy to impart upon a non-consenting progeny? I vote for zero

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

You'd have to be immortal, first. Most kids are gonna live to see their own parents pass.

Tragedy is a part of life.

It's easily avoidable tragedy, unaddressed by those who could do something about it, that's the problem.

Even worse, there's potentially extinction level tragedy happening right now, going unaddressed by those who can do something about it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago

Tragedy is a part of life

Yes. And tragedy is categorically bad, and tragedies cannot be experienced by that which is not alive (i.e. non-sentient). Thusly, a total absence of (sentient) life would be a total absence of tragedies and vice versa; in other words, sentient life and tragedy are virtually biconditional. The continuation of sentient life and tragedy is wholly avoidable if the relevant capable parties were willing, and it can often be abated on a small scale on an individual basis.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (7 children)

When in human history was ever a good time to have children?

Is there an objective "this was the best year/decade/century"?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago

That’s the neat part, there isn’t!

But being more serious: I think I can express the feeling of things being particularly worse now in a way that isn’t just recency bias.

Sure, over time technology has improved and that’s generally speaking allowed for better standards of living, at least for the people at the right end of that technology. (Not so great if you’re being conquered because someone shows up with guns for example.) So you could look at the past and say it was worse because materially things like food availability and medicine have become better over time.

But key to this was that all of this was a struggle of humans over nature. To the extent things were bad, there were tangible things we could do to improve.

These days, so many of our problems are self-inflicted and technology and economic development mostly makes them worse. Climate change is the obvious big one, but then there’s stuff like:

  • Weapons have become increasingly destructive and centrally usable. A small number of people can cause a lot more damage than they ever could in the past.

  • Surveillance technology invades our privacy in a way that’s unprecedented in human history.

  • Automation, communications, and transportation technology have made workers less and less powerful and therefore more subject to abuse and artificial poverty. This is one of the more messed up things about capitalism. Technology gets better and rather than getting the benefits of that progress, it actually hurts a lot of people.

  • Advances in science and technology, particularly data science, allow the powerful to hyper-optimize the bad things they were always doing or enables them to do things they’ve wanted to do.

  • A financialized economy creates economic catastrophes where people go homeless or starve without any actual changes to material conditions. The numbers got screwed up or the investors panicked and now everything sucks for no reason?

  • More generally, we can produce enough of the necessities of life for everyone, but capitalism ensures that those necessities won’t make it to people. Capitalism depends on scarcity. If you had a house you wouldn’t need to pay a landlord. If you had food you wouldn’t need to pay food companies. If you had both you wouldn’t need to go work and put up with awful conditions. We’ve solved our most fundamental problems and yet because of the interests of the system and those in power, that progress gets held back.

In the past, even if things were rough now, you could maybe look forward to them improving. Now it feels like the walls are closing in. Unless we actively do something about it, things are going to get worse for most people as more and more wealth accumulates in private hands, as we become subject to increasingly powerful forms of control, and as the powerful destroy the environment we need to live.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why do you think the politicians that are accelerating inequality are the same politicians that are trying to outlaw abortion?

They want babies because they need more workers to distribute inequality and produce more wealth for the shareholders. Foster kids are less likely to go to college, so they’re perfect fuel for the machine.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'm Gen X, but cusp with Millennial. I said at 15 or 16 I'd never have kids & stuck with it. I'm more resolute than ever & feel like I would have massive guilt if I had caved. I felt the world was too fucked up back in the 90s. I wonder how my younger self would deal with the world today.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I'm on the other side of the generational gap (nearly gen x, but millennial), and I was terrified during my late teens/early 20s of becoming a parent. I could not imagine raising a child the way I was living paycheque to paycheque, if I had a paycheque at all....

That feeling never went away, and I still wouldn't know how I could possibly afford that. I decided in my mid 20s that children would be a decision I would leave up to my wife (wherever I had a wife to make the decision). I was/am instinctually driven to want them (a feeling I mostly disregard), but given the state of the world and my own financial situation, I can't say that I want to force any intelligent being, especially one that is my offspring, to suffer through a lifetime of this shit like I have been forced to so far.

I didn't ask to be here. If someone had given me a choice, I would have probably opted out of gestures all of this.

I'm currently in a long term relationship, and we're planning on signing the papers next year, so soon I'll have someone I can legitimately call my wife. She is very much on the side of "never have kids". So that's my decision as well.

Instinctual drive isn't enough to cause me to overlook how things are going. I love my (non-existent) children too much, than to force them into living a life in these circumstances. Fuck no.

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