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Magic Lasso suggests that Chrome might be the new IE (www.magiclasso.co)

submitted 5 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Bloated and complacent, Chrome might be on the path to playing the same role as IE was playing 15 years ago, shunned by developers and technologically inferior to other browsers.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 5 days ago (1 children)

People are only realizing this today?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago

Definitely a la IE

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Kinda fitting that Microsoft chose Chrome as the base for its Edge browser …

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

the reverse midas touch

[+] [email protected] -9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They chose Chromium. Which is the base for Chrome (and all other relevant browsers).

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

They chose Chromium. Which is the base for Chrome (and all other relevant browsers).

I know we live in a time of why-give-a-fuck-about-facts, but I see two 'relevant browsers' in the top ranking that are not chromium-based:

Chrome 66.68%
Safari 18.07%
Edge 5.25%
Firefox 2.65%

(https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Much better than when IE for Windows had 97% market share. IE for Mac and UNIX existed briefly and had different and incompatible rendering engine.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

and out of those 4, 3 are based on a fork that came originally from khtml. so it's really just firefox that matters in this race. well, until ladybird is ready.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

https://ladybird.org/

Well that's cool

Ladybird is a brand-new browser & web engine. Driven by a web standards first approach, Ladybird aims to render the modern web with good performance, stability and security.

Singular focus

We are focused on one thing: the web browser.

No monetization

No "default search deals", crypto tokens, or other forms of user monetization, ever.

Announcing the Ladybird Browser Initiative

Launching our 501(c)(3) nonprofit.

Looking forward to it, 2026 feels like a long ways away but I imagine there is lots to do before then

[–] shield_gengar -2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Your source is missing a bunch of chromium-based browsers to add up to 100%, and there's no methodology or statistics explanation.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

Your source is missing a bunch of chromium-based browsers to add up to 100%, and there’s no methodology or statistics explanation.

FFS... I listed the first four results of the first web search result I got. Also, may I remind you that me quoting only the four first results (unfiltered) of a longer list doesn't change a thing on the ranking: on those 4 firsts (aka, the browsers occupying the 1st to the 4th places, aka the ones ranked before the 5th, 6th places and so on), two of them are not Chromium-based. That's all I was saying.

For the rest:

Feel free to quote other sources, obviously. I would be happy to see other numbers with some more of that 'methodology or statistics explanation' you're talking about.
Have a nice day.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago

Please. All of chromium is bad and should die.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Not to sound crazy but I have never heard of Magic lasso until today. Use Ublock origin on something Firefox based or go home.

They do have a point though

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago

Technologically inferior to other browsers? What other browsers? Firefox?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

This is hilariously silly from a developer perspective because Safari exists. Safari is literally the bane of my existence in WebDev because it's usually the browser that does something weird and not according to standards (which is classically the IE problem). Apple WebKit has significantly deviated from KHTML/Blink in ways that are worse for developers. Chrome does inject defaults to standard interfaces to make websites "work better" where Firefox is much more strict about the standard.

To pretend that Chromium/Blink/V8 is worse than Firefox or any other competitor is just burying your head in the sand. Blink and V8 are extremely highly optimized and standards driven, there's a reason Node didn't choose SpiderMonkey. Dev Tools have significant difference in speed and usability, and I'm a Firefox daily driver and use it for development.

What Google is doing that's ridiculous and stupid is using it's weight to influence the design of Chromium such as the deprecation and removal of Manifest V2 to prevent adblockers under the guise of "safety" or whatever, as well as driving more telemetry and anti-features into the Chromium core product.

Also of course "MagicLasso" doesn't say Safari is the IE because it's a adblocker for Safari. lol

[–] ayyy 6 points 4 days ago

The chrome monopoly is evil, but this is just copium.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Not a fair assessment. Chromium and Blink are still open source, cross platform and standards compliant. With IE not only it was closed source but the Mac OS and UNIX ports had a different rendering engine with different behaviour and bugs.

I personally do dislike Google, but that's another topic.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

It is more that both browsers are by their respective companies to create the Internet they want.

IE intentionally gimped higher level browser usage as a way to defend the Windows monopoly. Web apps in IE would never be developed to the quality they could compete against natively run programs in Windows.

Chromium works to keep the Internet open and platform agnostic, but keeps tracking and cookies because Google makes money on the Internet by serving ads online.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Chromium does do the EEE from Microsoft. (Embrace, extend, extinguish) Last time I checked web Bluetooth and web USB were Chromium only because they aren't standard.

Also Chromium often writes the standard since they control the browser. Jpeg XL and Mv3 ring a bell?

I don't think it is quite fair to call them IE but Chromium isn't good

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

standards compliant