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Summary

Bernie Sanders criticizes the Democratic Party for neglecting the working class, leading to their recent election losses.

He highlights issues like economic inequality, job displacement, healthcare costs, and foreign policy as key concerns for the American people.

Sanders questions whether the Democratic leadership will address these issues or remain beholden to big money interests.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

He's partially right.

Unfortunately, I think the bigger issue is that a majority of Americans are fascists or indifferent to fascism.

“But are there not many fascists in your country?"

"There are many who do not know they are fascists but will find it out when the times comes.”

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (3 children)

majority of Americans are fascists or indifferent to fascism.

I'm not convinced of that at all. Here's what I see:

A large portion of ignorant uneducated and easily manipulatable people who don't even know what fascism is.

  • Large groups of religious people who focus on voting red because Christianity, their churches, pastors, and religious groups, and the abortion issue.

  • Actual bigots. There's a lot of them and they like the racism, anti gay, nationalism, deportation stuff. Want women subjugated.

  • Bullies, tough guys, "alpha male", and the "get money" crowd. There's a lot here too, and many in poor young black and Hispanic groups in addition to a lot of white males. Not necessarily bigots, but generally want women subjugated whether they know it or not (sex objects).

  • The large group of just vote red without thinking because it's what family and friend circles do and always have.

The above I think don't understand fascism at all. Not educated or informed enough.

Edit: I would say to be "indifferent to fascism" you have to actually understand what it is, and I don't think much of the maga crowd does. My opinion/speculation.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah I also don't agree. You honestly have to discard a lot of public information to force yourself into this level of ignorance. For nine years he's told us he's a proud piece of shit. If they didn't listen for that long that's on them.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (3 children)

Completely disagree, a person doesn't have to understand what fascism is to be a fascist or indifferent to fascism, any more than they need to be an expert on dogs to not kick or oppose kicking one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Kindly, I disagree again lol.

Indifferent:

Having no particular interest or concern; apathetic

I still argue you need to understand it to be indifferent about it specifically. However, I do believe these people are indifferent to having a desire to learn what fascism actually is and actual historical contexts.

But we can agree to disagree 😀

Edit: oops "to be a fascist" yes I'll agree with you on that one sorry. They can be fascists without actually knowing that they are and how to define it.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The abortion issue is part of fascism. It creates a lower unequal class out of women.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

I'd say most of the maga base don't know this though. Complete ignorance. Just "libs kill babies" is their thought process.

I have a hard time thinking that someone who is dumb and manipulatable by a fascist, is actually a fascist themselves. They're just dumb and easy to manipulate.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

It's all too much. The Democratic party wants to be a big tent party, the party of all. That's just not possible. Every group wants the party to prioritize their issues. Blacks and whites, straight people and gay people, men and women, young and old, religious people and atheists, owners and workers, cops and criminals, leftists, moderates, and conservatives, etc, etc, etc. We can't give everyone what they want.

I'm sorry, I really am, but we can't make everyone happy. Especially since a lot of these groups do not like each other. Look, it would be great if all these different groups could come together in one big rainbow coalition of peace, join hands and sing Kumbaya but it ain't gonna fucking happen. Stop trying to please and appease all these people and instead try to materially improve the lives of as many people as possible.

Stop trying to achieve perfect justice for every identity group and just focus on making housing more fucking affordable for as many people as possible, and healthcare, and a decent education, and so forth.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Theres very little truth to this. Like most people that have broken the law arent identifying as criminals. Theyre not lobbying for more crime. Atheists arent trying to ban religion, etc. There are a lot of things that are just universally beneficial, like healthcare, environment, education. Its not a matter of opposing groups, its one group that wants to hurt people.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

There are a lot of things that are just universally beneficial, like healthcare, environment, education.

Ok, so let's focus on that stuff, then. My point is, maybe we can't achieve perfect justice and fairness for everyone, so let's just try to like make rent more affordable and make it so people don't have to stress as much about paying their bills and maintaining a decent standard of living.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Oh that was up for vote, everyone here voted against it because it cant win.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (3 children)

The what party? America still has more than one political party?

Edit: I don't mean 'both parties are the same, you knuckleheads.' I mean there won't be a Democratic party by the next election. There won't be any parties but the Republican party.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

All I can do is hope that you're wrong

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

That was already the case, remember when Harris was excited to get Republican endorsements and promised to put one on her cabinet?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago

It's sad people keep trying to use these against her

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

He’s right. It is time to take back the Democratic Party.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I like your spirit but the Democratic brand and party are entirely dead. Someone will have to start a new progressive party (which will be coopted by capitalism as soon as it shows promise)

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 hours ago

Back? This is what its always been.

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