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The main arguments for people to defederate are

  • "Embrace, extend, and extinguish" strategy: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
  • A potential federation with Threads (should Thread decide to implement it) would overwhelm Lemmy/Mbin/Piefed with millions of users (compared to the 40k monthly current active users), transforming those platforms into a threaded version of Facebook
  • Defederating preventively costs nothing
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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Threads.net federation status on major Lemmy instances based on blocklist info:

Also, in memoriam:

[–] [email protected] 88 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (3 children)

I have yet to see any threads content anyway.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 37 minutes ago (1 children)

The best if you don't have to. If you thought Twitter's nonexistent moderation was bad, then get ready for Meta's moderation.

People can post trans suicide memes, people can post outright hate speech, no action. Call a "moderate conservative" a "mean person", racist, etc., action within 24 hours, multiple-day ban.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 minutes ago

@ZILtoid1991

If you thought Twitter’s nonexistent moderation was bad, then get ready for Meta’s moderation.

To be fair, there is no global moderation on the fediverse. Anyone can start up their own instance with their own rules, or lack thereof. But that is also a plus since you or your server administrator decide how to moderate content, rather than depending on the decisions of some mega company's moderation team.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 hours ago

So it's working.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Exactly. I still don't know what the whole kerfuffle is about.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 8 hours ago

One concern is that since threads has a massive userbase and similar volume of content, it is basically a full reservoir and when it starts to federate content it will be like the dam bursting. Even if there is a need for a user on lemmy.world to do something to start federating content, like subscribing to communities, but all it would take is a bot that subscribes to a bunch of popular content to both fill the All feed and prompt a massive number of API calls.

If the hardware is up to the task, the other concern is the threads content overwhelming existing communities, and since a bunch of meta content is bot driven and malicious that would be a crazy amount of moderation that is likely needed to keep it from causing issues and driving away the existing userbase.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 hours ago

Lemmy is niche and therefore is heavily populated by techies but more specifically lemmy is open source so these techies are specifically the type who like open source stuff. Threads and the corporation responsible for it have a financial incentive to oppose open source projects like this. So the community most ideologically tied to lemmy want nothing to do with it. They want to preserve their space that they have made as free of the influences of capital as possible. The very existence of threads is a threat.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Hexbear? EW.

Also they don't actually federate anything, especially not with Lemmy as federation with Lemmy is fucked up even with mastodon, misskey and basically all the other services. Kbin was the only somewhat working other service, but from what I've seen its abandoned.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I came here to tell you that [email protected] is actually quite nice. I was going to say, by the way, that I also went there to talk with them about politics recently, got about the reaction you'd expect, and peaced out, but as long as you don't do that, you can enjoy the nice artwork.

And then, I realized that I haven't seen any of the art for a few days.

Yep! My whole instance is defederated, I think. I wrote a total of five messages.

I think they're a little thin-skinned lol.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 hours ago

I also went there to talk with them about politics recently, got about the reaction you’d expect, and peaced out, but as long as you don’t do that, you can enjoy the nice artwork.

Not worth it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (3 children)

Absolutely not worth it and I'm staying in my savespace they defederated. We are better.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 hours ago

At the moment, it is more a gesture of support for our micro-blogging cousins but still...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Thread does not currently federate with link aggregators (Lemmy, Mbin, Piefed)

It federates with MBin, recently Fedia defederated Threads, but before that I could follow and interact with Threads accounts, and it actually worked

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago

Thanks for the clarification

[–] ryathal -2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

The threads hate is so fucking stupid. Companies getting involved with Lemmy would be awesome, mostly because it's a replacement for discord. The whole EEE thing is FUD, open source largely solved that problem. The people with control aren't just going to give Meta they keys anyway. Some corporate involvement could help solve some real issues with making hosting easier, reducing storage needs, and increasing federation throughput.

Corporate instances would be awesome to add to my feed for the things I want to see and it would be a way to attract people to get the more niche communities. The tools already exist for the people who don't want to see that content. If for example steam community discussions became Lemmy communities that would be a huge win for the platform.

Also threads isn't even the same federation model as Lemmy anyway and it's unlikely to ever actually federate to here anyway.

[–] Noel_Skum 2 points 30 minutes ago

Threads hate isn’t stupid. Consider for a moment the literally dozens of people online without FB or Insta accounts. That is a choice. It’s nice to have somewhere that doesn’t have those users, with that groomed content, pumped for profit. Meta exists to make money - the Zuckdroid wants a finger in the fediverse pie to maximise profit for the share holders; not because he’s gone all in and techno-philanthropy. Having said that, the dilution of quality and nuance his user base “could” bring is the real worry though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Lemmy is a replacement for discord???

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure LW is trying to be Threads, or at least grow into some version of it. Why is, as you said, a mystery.

https://fedihosting.foundation/lw-team/#org-chart

[–] pelespirit 9 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I have 2 possible theories on that:

  1. They want the federation to be all encompassing. Like a giant forum for corporations, governments and the common people. Sort of like a FOSS mall with a post office, community center and library included.

  2. They're ran and/or owned ultimately by a Reddit or Threads type company.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

Someday I will write my master list of unfounded Fediverse conspiracy theories.

I was going to say that I didn't have one for lemmy.world, so that would be a good addition, but I realized that I do: LW is being run by the Russians, as a cheap way to get a solid foothold over a new sector of social media, and that's why there was that moment in time where Youtube was giving out Russian-language descriptions for all the videos that got posted to LW.

I have no evidence and it seems hilariously unlikely, but so does "Our Dutch sysadmin decided to host the server in Finland of all places, and then on top of that, Google decided to start handing out Russian-language descriptions when people accessed Youtube from Finland. And then, as soon as we found out about it, Google suddenly fixed it for us."

My theory would also explain why the admin team makes certain perplexing decisions like pushing so hard to make a safe space for the disinfo accounts and then forbidding anyone from calling them out.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The Finns and Russians are famously chummy.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

So if Meta continues to share defederated without acknowledgement from the source, wouldn’t that just put lemmy and mastodan on top?

[–] ohellidk 11 points 9 hours ago

sheesh, must be bad if even hexbear is doing it!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

We gotta avoid meta collecting data on the users of the fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Oh no, imagine someone being able to see data that you publicly posted on the internet!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Bruh you know you can literally just download any lemmy data right now?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

That's why I didn't mention data collection in the reasons. Everything here can be parsed by thousands of instances. The issue is the EEE, and flooding the platform with millions of users coming from Facebook

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Literally all they would have to do is spin up a generic instance with like, one subscriber, federate, and then just kick back and wait. But yeah, fuck threads. .World should de-federate.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (3 children)

Its possible to convince me to move to another instance if anybody can recommend one with the following:

  • Anti-Tankie sentiment/rules/regulation (fuck those fake communists flooding the feed with spam 24/7)

  • Fairly active community

  • General use instance, not one with a specific agenda

But otherwise I guess I'd probably just stop using lemmy altogether when threads hits World.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 hours ago (11 children)

Sopuli.xyz has blocked both lemmygrad and hexbear. You can block lemmy.ml in your user settings, that should set you up.

About the active community, not sure what you mean, as exporting and importing your settings would keep you subscribed to the same communities that your current account, and sopuli is large enough to have the same All feed than LW

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

PieFed.social, Mbin, or use one of Sync or Connect that can actually block tankie users - Lemmy's "block" doesn't block hardly anything at all, as you still see them, they can downvote you, generate notifications, etc. Read more here.

You may also want to block certain news and political communities in favor of better ones that are not so filled with toxicity and misinformation regardless of whether the content comes from certain instances.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

pick two.

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