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[–] [email protected] 111 points 3 weeks ago

You could call this "political suicide" for almost any other candidate. But not the orange man and his followers...

[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 weeks ago

Big man wants to hit woman, more at 6

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 weeks ago

He’s such a strange angry little man

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

I really don't like the various outlets' coverage of this story or how quick people are to interpret this as a violent threat. I am VERY skeptical that he meant physically hitting Michelle Obama, and I think the only way to make it sound that way is to clip the quote. When he says, "She hit me the other day" and "She said that about me, I can’t hit back?" he's obviously not talking physically and you wouldn't think that if it was Harris saying it.

TONS of legitimate exist reasons to hate Trump and tear him apart (Huffpost: "This just in, user GrymEdm threatens to 'tear Trump apart'. Is he advocating assault?"). We don't need to grasp at straws when there are rock-solid criticisms of Trump. If it's not right for the other side to take things out of context and spin them, then it's not ok for us. How about we stay focused on Trump being a democracy-destroying, racist, lying convicted felon/sex offender (with ample proof) and not try to force this quote into something it probably isn't.

Edit: People comparing the J6 coup/maintaining deniability need to look up how serious and extended the lead up to J6 was. It was many days worth of violent rhetoric capped by a long speech where he said "peaceful" once and called for variations of "fighting" 20 times. His J6 incitement is the basis of a very serious and (according to experts in the linked article) indefensible lawsuit. No one is taking him to court because of the quotes in OP's article. Lemmy, you don't need to push this to make reasons to justifiably despise him.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

Media is just as guilty as anybody else for their willful enabling of people like Trump. He knew what he was doing (or at least his handlers did).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

and you wouldn’t think that if it was Harris saying it.

I wouldn't, because she doesn't have years of violent rhetoric that would suggest she's talking literally. He's long lost the benefit of the doubt on what he "really" means, and any suggestion that his speech is innocent is either naive or complicit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Trump's whole shtick is plausible deniability. He'll say just a little bit to cover himself but whenever I hear the original the message is clear.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

He’s empirically insane.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

Can we bothsider this by declaring that it's mean for those who are not in his cult and who are not donnie dumpster to point out donnie's nastiness here?

It's just like the way they embrace racism and fascism and then say everyone is being - boohoo! - so mean to them by pointing this out! And of course, the "liberal media" and the Enlightened Centrists(TM) will jump at the chance to tone police any meanies talking facts....