I think if they were told the truth about Brexit they'd never would have voted for it in the first place.
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They were told the truth. Most of the truth was ignored and anything left was successfully spun as “project fear”.
This also applies to rejoining.
Surprised its only 62% TBH.
Most of the other 38% probably don't want it dominating the news for another 4 years
Yeah there is no chance for a rejoin if it's only slightly above 60% after all the shit that happened.
I think it's boomers dying off. I don't think it is people changing their minds. Sad really.
FPTP is a crime against democracy. Anyone supporting FPTP might as well admit that they don't really like democracy.
I thought you were talking about Fibre To The Premises for a second and was going to fight you.
My take, for what it's worth, is that we don't even have FPTP in the UK, we have Winner Takes All, since they don't even need to get 50% to win, they just need to be the most popular which could mean 21% of votes with four similarly-popular opponents.
WTA/FPTP asks the question "who is the most popular?"; AV asks "who can the voters agree to compromise on?"; STV asks "who best represents the voters?"
My take, for what it’s worth, is that we don’t even have FPTP in the UK, we have Winner Takes All, since they don’t even need to get 50% to win
That's exactly what FPTP is - the candidate who gets the largest number of votes wins, regardless of whether their vote share is 1% or 51%. It's horribly undemocratic.
I agree but. How else would we have done a simple yes/no poll?
Not that we should have went through with a 1% swing on something that would have such a massive impact.
A minimum voter turnout of 50% and a two-thirds majority.
I don't really believe that 60% of the British want to get back into the EU, if they don't get their old advantages back.
The mere fact that they would have to give up the pound and introduce the euro would deter many from rejoining.
But one can hope that this will change in the coming decades and that the UK will eventually become a member again.
Euro adoption is a red herring. Plenty of EU member states are conceptually signed up to joining the euro at some point in the future and have no intention of ever doing anything about that - it's pure symbolism.
So the Bregret begin
It would need to stay at these numbers for the next ten years, politicians from all parties would need to start waxing lyrical about EU membership through at least one election cycle if not two. The degenerate eurohating media would also need to be lobotomized somehow.
Until that happens the EU won't touch UK membership with a shitty stick.
It would need to stay at these numbers for the next ten years
The number of voters believing Brexit was the wrong idea have consistently exceeded those believing it is the right idea in polling since about mid-2017. We're already 6 years into your 10.
The reason there was so much clamour for a second referendum in 2017-19 (a manifesto policy of parties accounting for >50% of the votes cast at the 2019 general election) is because the polling consistently showed Remain would have won it.
Polling numbers showed a 50/50 split in intent to vote back in 2016.
We have increased from 50% wanting to remain to 60% wanting to go back? It doesn't feel like good enough numbers to convince anyone that enough has changed.
I don't understand how people walk around the supermarkets observing the massive gaps on the shelves and thinking that Brexit was a good thing.
The government has delayed full import checks yet again until January because the system isn't ready yet and the fact it will make matters worse.
They just want our straight bananas! Don't let them in!