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A three-year fight to help support game preservation has come to a sad end today. The US copyright office has denied a request for a DMCA exemption that would allow libraries to remotely share digital access to preserved video games.

"For the past three years, the Video Game History Foundation has been supporting with the Software Preservation Network (SPN) on a petition to allow libraries and archives to remotely share digital access to out-of-print video games in their collections," VGHF explains in its statement. "Under the current anti-circumvention rules in Section 1201 of the DMCA, libraries and archives are unable to break copy protection on games in order to make them remotely accessible to researchers."

Essentially, this exemption would open up the possibility of a digital library where historians and researchers could 'check out' digital games that run through emulators. The VGHF argues that around 87% of all video games released in the US before 2010 are now out of print, and the only legal way to access those games now is through the occasionally exorbitant prices and often failing hardware that defines the retro gaming market.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 50 minutes ago (1 children)

If im reading it correctly only the sharing is prohibited not the preservation.

I can live with that and fight again another day. As long as they still exist in an archive they will see the legal light of day someday(im being optimistic)

The high seas will take care of retro gamers who want to play them im sure, as Gaben says piracy is a service issue.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 minutes ago

Given the industry's "you aren't buying, you are renting" mentality.... very, very optimistic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 25 minutes ago

Don’t let them hear why a lot of people go to museums.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 46 minutes ago

Simple solution: Just lend people games that aren't any fun

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Publishers are absolutely terrified "preserved books would be used for recreational purposes," major book burnings ordered by federal court to be carried out in every state..

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 minute ago

The book industry will be doing this with digital copies if they haven't already.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Well isn't it just convenient that I don't give a damn what the US copyright office thinks?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago

chaotic good dgaf

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

When they kill the games, they no longer make money on them. So playing without paying is not a lost sale, even if the player is corrupt enough to enjoy playing. So there's no problem yeah?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 seconds ago

This reeks of selling games on a "pay per new game save" kind of move. If "replay" is a threat, how long until they move to eliminate that?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

Game makers that sell new games that aren't completed (DLC) with DAY 1 launch problems being not only expected but usually the only way a game gets media attention these days.

[–] DudeImMacGyver 55 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Love how the people don't get represented or supported because of corporations and their insatiable greed.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

The weird thing is, corporations can't even make any money from these older games. I guess they think that means people who can't play older games will just buy their newer garbage, and yet that's not how it works at all lol people just end up buying indie games instead these days.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Depending on marketing & their dedication to bringing it to market...again... they can & they do. Digitally. Nintendo has sold old video games on the Wii, Wii U platform. Then, they packaged & released the NES & SNES Classic consoles, very smart move actually & it was a cute product that appealed to many consumers.

Since then, Nintendo's greed has grown. They no longer sell because they don't want you to own copies of old videogames....they want to rent them to you by the month or year. Via Nintendo Online subscriptions, you can browse the whole catalog & play all kinds of old games. It requires a Switch, an internet connection, and don't forget that sweet, sweet Nintendo Online subscription. Once you've gotten your fix & you cancel your subscription, you own nothing & they've got your money. This is their goal, everything is going according to plan. Subscription models for endless reven on old games.

You will give them your money, you will own nothing, and you will be happy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 35 minutes ago

Damn, that's crazy. Here I am being happy that I have their older consoles that I'm still playing their best older games, even with modding them and using flashcarts too etc. I guess retro gamers are a bit of a dying breed, but there's still some people out there like me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

gotta make them fear you

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

It's about preserving the consumption culture for the mainstream. If playing older games for free was easier and legal, more people that now only play the newest AAA garbage would start doing it, and corpos don't want to risk that culture change, because if it gets big enough it would definitely impact their sales.

Unfortunately not many people know or care about indie games and free games like Beyond All Reason, Shattered Pixel Dungeon, etc. as is.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They can dick about as much as they want, piracy will make sure to preserve the things they want gone. The reason they don't want older games to be preserved is that new generations, whilst playing them, may come to realize that you don't need gacha mechanics, stupid fomo, micro transactions, 6 different currencies, 3 different shop menus, 2 battlepasses and so forth to have a good game.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

I specifically need to not have those things. Those are the things that I'm going to games in order to avoid.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Imagine Beethoven refusing to release his catalog of works because people might stop listening to newer music. Gg capitalism.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

"Capitalism creates innovation" - one of the best jokes out there

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

once upon a time, i think it did. then the system got gamed by sociopaths. we should probably burn it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 29 minutes ago

we should probably burn it

Agreed

[–] [email protected] 129 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

“No! They’ll enjoy preserving our history to muuuch!!”

They know the dark secret of book preservation. The people preserving the books… gulp READ THEM!

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Libraries facilitate widespread piracy of books, by allowing people to read them without a distribution licence, or even take them home!

This is a clear violation of the DMCA, and thus must be stopped immediately!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago

There's a group called Improv Everywhere that used to do really creative flash mobs like the No Pants Subway ride where they would all claim to have forgotten to put on pants that day, or going into a cafe and lugging 90s desktops in and dialing in, or during the Great Recession they had a suicide jumper on a 2ft high ledge which they dramatically had to talk down.

They once tried to do a "writers against libraries" stunt but it ended up not being funny enough because people kinda went "oh yeah libraries are kinda weird in that they just give out books for free"

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago

I get the sarcasm even if others don’t.

Someone else on Lemmy said you couldn’t invent libraries today. It’s true.

[–] BudgetBandit 88 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, time to finally make my own collection to play

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (5 children)

That's what I've been doing. Been collecting various PS1-4 games on top of GameCube, Wii, and Switch games over the past year to rip and save digital copies for myself. Then I play them on emulators.
I have roughly a few hundred so far and plan to expand it further.
I have a NAS with two 8 TB drives in RAID to back them up and it's already over 50% full. I want to start collecting OG Xbox and 360 games in the near future, but I need to get jailbroken consoles for them.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 day ago

🐶 NO PLAY

🐶 ONLY BUY

[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Actually explains a lot of decisions by game publishers the last 5-10 years if their official position is that games are meant to collect dust on a shelf rather than being played.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 day ago (14 children)

They really want to force gamers to buy their new games which are pretty much like the old games but now with extra helpings of ads, gambling mechanics and micro transactions on top

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Well that's fucking stupid.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I don't think I'll ever buy a game from a AAA publisher again,they can't be trusted and the quality of their goods has fallen sharply the last few years.

Smaller dev teams have better/more interesting IP AND seem to care what I think as their end user.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

The only AAA game I WAS interested in was GTA6, but after that they just did to GTA5 I’m not interested anymore. I use Linux and they just added anti-cheat that is compatible with Linux but never enabled compatibility. They don’t want me to buy their game.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

God forbid we... checks notes preserve games so we can play them?

[–] RVGamer06 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wonder if the EU can somehow prevent DMCA being applied to European internet users.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

I guess people rent movies and books because they hate them!

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