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[–] [email protected] 3 points 26 minutes ago

Engagement bait.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

this argument isn't going to work on someone who believes god created said lead... and also, pretty sure not all lead was created from nuclear decay.

i get dunk on people feels satisfying, but this is just bad science communication through and through

[–] [email protected] 3 points 21 minutes ago

I had a conversation with a woman who strongly believed God put the dinosaur bones there to test our faith.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Some lead might have been created from supernova fusion, probably. I'm not actually sure if it's the right isotope or if lead even has radioactive isotopes that we know of

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 hours ago

Anything can be radioactive if you add enough neutrons

[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

unfortunately i don’t believe in uranium or numbers higher than 200, so this argument doesn’t work on me

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Don't give up, you can still change their mind.

Just from 4000 to 200.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

"Whatever! Pssshhh!"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

ALLEGEDLY .

[–] [email protected] 66 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (4 children)

Technically this could all be true even if the universe were created 4000 years ago. As somebody says in Robert Heinlein's novel Job: A Comedy of Justice, "Yes, the universe is billions of years old, but it was created 4000 years ago. It was created old." (approximate quote from memory)

I absolutely agree with science, but strictly speaking we can't know for sure the universe isn't the creation of some superbeing operating outside of it - or it could even be a simulation.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

We can't prove that the world we live in wasn't created last Thursday, with our memories, the growth rings in trees, and so on created by a (near) omnipotent trickster to deceive us. But science and rationality give us tools for determining what's worth taking seriously, and sorting out the reasonable, but unconfirmed, claims from the unverifiable hogwash.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago

Actually the universe was created on Jan 1st 1970. That's why computers sometimes have errors with pre-1970 dates, it's the universal simulation glitching due to the high clock rate of computers compared to the universe's. Anyone who claims to have been born before 1970/01/01 is a simulation that's lying to you, and anyone born after is real, hence why now that its more player characters than NPCs things are going off the rails politically and socially!

[–] can 13 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 hours ago

We can't know anything with 100% certainty. We can always imagine some razzle-dazzle, imagined scenario to counter the rational explanation if we like.

The point of the scientific method and logical reasoning is to pick the explanation with the most evidence.

[–] merc 8 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

The existence of a god is something that can't be disproven. You can always find gaps in knowledge and explain the gap by saying a god / multiple gods did that. As gaps narrow with more knowledge, you can always just say that the holy books were just a metaphor in this one case, but the rest of it is literally true.

It gets even more complicated when you run into people who refuse to believe in any science, or anything outside their own personal experience.

Personally, I believe the Earth is a sphere. I've been to Australia, Europe, Africa, Asia and North America. The time the flights took and the routes the in-flight maps showed make sense for a spherical earth. So did the scenes visible out the windows, and the day/night cycle. The mere existence of time zones and seasons strongly suggests the Earth is a rotating sphere tilted slightly off vertical. But, it could be that I'm living in a Truman Show world, where everything is a lie designed to make me believe something that isn't true. I haven't personally done all the math, all the experiments, etc. to prove the Earth is a sphere. And, if this were a Truman Show world, the producers of the show could mess with my experiments anyhow.

For someone who doesn't want to believe, there's really nothing you can do to make them believe. The world really relies on trust and believing Occam's Razor.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

In the begining, was uranium, and the uranium was not stable?

[–] [email protected] 53 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, this is broken because all lead did not have to come from polonium, that's how half-lives work.

It's still 100% bullshit in every way, someone just needs to have chatgpt4 sort out the current mass fraction to explain why, I'm way too lazy to argue against insanity.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

https://wwwrcamnl.wr.usgs.gov/isoig/period/pb_iig.html

Lead-204 is the only isotope that doesn't derive from radioactive decay, and it represents only 1.4% of the lead on earth.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

"God made the world with lead in it"

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago

WERE YOU THERE TO SEE IT???? - The next moronic rebuttal

[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

I assume someone saying this is a creationist and can just say god created Earth already with the lead in it. Therefore it is a pointless discussion.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 hours ago (5 children)

Which raises the question of why he would create a planet with the illusion of age and send you to hell for falling for his own trick.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 8 hours ago (7 children)

When I was being raised as a young earth creationist, the earth was supposedly 12,000-20,000 years old. Then it was 10,000 years old. Then only 6,000. After I outgrew that nonsense, I joked that in a few decades YECs would say that their god created the earth in 1980, and anyone older than 40 are agents of the devil sent to test your faith.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Of course, the universe was actually created in 1970 and anyone claiming to be older than 54 is an agent of Microsoft sent to test your faith in Unix.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Half the earth was actually created in 1969. The other half was finished 12 hours later =]

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

The universe was created along with the release os temple os. Everything before are just memories implanted on us.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 hours ago (5 children)

Earth will be created in 2036. This is just a rehearsal.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago

The Earth was created on January 1st, 1970 and will end on January 19th, 2038.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago

I remember a time when all of this happens again

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[–] [email protected] 224 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (27 children)

Not to argue for creationism, but this argument sucks. Lead can be produced by supernova, not just through decay of heavier elements. But even that's besides the point, since if you believe some entity created the universe, surely said entity could have created whatever ratio of lead to uranium they wanted. It's not a falsifiable claim, there's really no disproving it, unfortunately.

(Not so fun fact: the environmental impact of leaded gasoline was discovered by trying to estimate the age of the earth using the radio of lead to uranium in uranium deposits, but the pollution from leaded gasoline was throwing the measurements off.)

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[–] [email protected] 108 points 9 hours ago (11 children)

Pretty sure the point of creationism is that everything was put on the earth when it was created, including fossils etc. You can't argue this with logic. My favorite spin off of this is Last Thursdayism where the earth was created last Thursday (regardless of what day it's now) which basically uses the same argument.

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