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Basically the title. The fact that we can read an encyclopedia entry on the economic history of the Netherlands from our phone is crazy. Scrolling over to a random island in the middle of the Atlantic to experience a virtual street tour is insane. There are even websites that let you see live security camera footage (shoutout to EarthCamTV). We have so much information that we take for granted.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

As someone who routinely edits on Wikimedia projects, I think the average person doesn't fully comprehend both how ungodly expansive Wikipedia and its sister projects currently are and especially how ungodly, unfathomably incomplete it still is. Let's say you're a person who lives for about 41 million minutes (~78.5 years). The English Wikipedia currently has 6.895 million articles, meaning if you started reading Wikipedia (just the articles; nothing else) from birth until the day you die with absolutely no breaks, you would have about 6 minutes per article to complete it. However, the English Wikipedia isn't the only one; the English, Chinese, Arabic, Egyptian Arabic, Farsi, Polish, Spanish, Portuguese, German, Swedish, Cebuano, Ukrainian, Winaray, Vietnamese, Dutch, French, Italian, and Russian Wikipedias all have over 1 million articles, and there are dozens of other, smaller Wikipedias. Non-English Wikipedias often have regional content that the English Wikipedia simply doesn't because of language and cultural barriers.

If that weren't enough, Wikipedia has the sister projects Wiktionary (an everything-to-[language] dictionary; e.g. the English Wiktionary with 8.2 million entries is everything-to-English), Wikimedia Commons (an interlanguage repository housing over 110 million pieces of copyleft media, including images, videos, documents, audio, map and tabular data, and 3D structures), Wikiquote (a repository for quotes from famous people and media), Wikidata (a very extensive database), Wikisource (a repository of transcribed freely licensed texts), Wikispecies (a taxonomy catalogue), Wikinews (original reporting; English one is mostly defunct now), Wikibooks (user-created books), Wikiversity (user-created lesson plans; I don't really hear much about it), and Wikivoyage (a travel guide for anywhere in the world). There's also now an in-development project called Wikifunctions for code.

As if that weren't enough, the English Wikipedia alone is woefully incomplete compared to what it could be. There are millions of articles with tons of potential just waiting for a user to come along and dramatically expand and improve them (and in many cases, even just create them in the first place). As an example, there's an editor whose main focus is New York City architecture, and because of them, I would say that Wikipedia is the best single source in the world for learning about it. There are countless other subjects, however, which don't get that same treatment. Featured articles – understood to represent the best Wikipedia has to offer – comprise just 0.09% of the articles. Obviously not every subject has enough coverage in reliable, secondary sources to become a FA, but there's still so much untapped potential.

[–] Varyk 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

you can download updated Wikipedia archives and use the app kiwix to read themon your phone, so that you can have nearly all of human knowledge with reference pictures available offline on your phone.

it's insane.

I used it for years until I regrettably got this pixel piece of shit with non-expandable storage.

My next phone will have expandable storage and offline Wikipedia on it again.

[–] TheSlad 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

How big is all of (english) wikipedia? I really have no gauge on this. Couple of terabytes? Petabytes??

[–] Varyk 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

they have different tiers, mostly separated by how many pictures are included.

when I used the archives, the smallest was almost 3 GB, and the largest was 80 GB?

let me check.

full wikipedia is 110GB now.

Wikipedia in simple English is still only 2 and 1/2 GB.

here are all the libraries in English:

https://library.kiwix.org/#lang=eng&category=wikipedia

[–] TheSlad 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wow I really thought it would be bigger, I was way off!

[–] Varyk 15 points 1 month ago

I couldn't believe it. back when I first got it, maybe a decade ago, I think it was only around 45 or 50 GB.

I was very confused, and figured okay, I'll just download all of Wikipedia.

and then I freaking had all of Wikipedia on my phone for years and it was amazing.

every time there was a reference I didn't get, every time there was anything I didn't get, I pulled up Wikipedia and boom there it was.

and I travel a lot, so I don't always have data, but I had Wikipedia offline.

it truly is amazing!

this is really make me want to get an expandable storage phone again.

[–] SomeAmateur 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It depends on what you want. I'll look on kiwix right now.

All of it with pictures is 102 Gigs

The top 100 articles are 368 MB

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago
[–] SomeAmateur 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah that feeling hit me hard when I was playing with web SDRs. To keep it simple and not boring people can set up an antenna, hook it to a computer and you can go to their website to remotely listen to anything the antenna can hear. A univeristy in the Netherlands has one set up. You can hear regular radio, cell tower data, morse code, you name it.

So I was able to listen to a Cuban propaganda broadcast, that somehow skipped between the ocean and atmosphere just right to get picked up by that antenna, turning into digital data sent through their website, going through cables under the ocean to my isp, through wifi, to me in near real time. Bonkers.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

i tell my kids all the time. you cant be bored; you have the sum total of all human knowledge available at your fingertips.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My parents used to tell me something similar before we even had smartphones. I don't know what boredom is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I was stuck in my house a lot as a kid. I would casually read the Encyclopedia Britannica when I was bored.
Wikipedia is amazing.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Add the Internet Archive to the list.

[–] Quacksalber 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

It's also crazy that you can grab a phone book (if those even still exist) from the other side of the world, just call a number over there and speak with person you would've never met otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

When I was a trainer I had a 2-week class for AT&T customer service reps. The shear amount of BS involved in long distance calling and billing was overwhelming.

Know the terms intralec and interlec? (sp?) Good. You don't have to.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Two weeks? Our At&t training was three months for phone service, and another one to two months for combined.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

and even the fact that I can read what you're saying and reply to you, it's just so weird