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What are your thoughts on the Lemmy ecosystem?

I've been trying it out for the last week. I have my own opinions, but I'd like to hear others and see if we have common ideas on what is good/bad/indifferent about the Lemmy ecosystem.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

On the one hand, I find idle browsing on Lemmy to be a lot more enjoyable than reddit. I see more stuff that I've never seen before, and I see less unfunny, uninteresting stuff.

On the other hand: I drew a comic and posted it to what is basically the only Lemmy comic group. I wanted to give Lemmy an honest chance, so that was the only place I shared it. I figured it'd be a nice change of pace since the group is almost entirely reposts from reddit.

My comic started to get some traction, and then the only mod in the only Lemmy comic group removed it for profanity. The profanity in question was the word "balls".

A few days later I mentioned this story on reddit. Someone asked to see the comic, so I posted it to r/comics, and a few hours later it hit the front page of r/all.

So in my opinion, Lemmy suffers from a lot of the same problems as reddit (like petty tyrant mods), and some of those problems are exacerbated by its small size.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago

Sorry for that. You should definitely report it on [email protected]

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah the mods can be annoying on here. Lots of times someone has replied to me and by the time I get to it it’s “comment removed by mod” without even an explanation. I wanted to know what that person had to say, even if it was a dumbfuck thing to say. These things only work with interaction, and if you’re stifling interaction on a platform that is starved for it then you’re not making it better, you’re making it worse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

The modlog shows the deleted comments. Example: https://sopuli.xyz/modlog/23366

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (8 children)

The strength of many reddit communities is in the people themselves, and unless you're really into Linux or star trek, the people aren't really here.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 23 hours ago

Okay but also... they aren't there (Reddit) either, anymore. Who knows where they went - possibly nowhere, or switched to lurking (either here or there), or X, or Mastodon, or Bluesky, or just nowhere.

I almost dropped off of social media altogether myself, after making the mistake of replying to a comment in Chapotraphouse and another in lemmygrad.ml. Sometimes silence is significantly better than having to put up with toxicity.

Aka some of us choose the bear

And the rest are tired of moderating against those onslaughts.

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[–] [email protected] 109 points 1 day ago (11 children)

As a ‘front page of the internet’ it has been a pretty great replacement for me as it’s where I go each day to just see what’s going on. However, due to the smaller size you do lose a lot of the activity in more niche communities and the sheer volume of posts/comments compared to Reddit. That’s the biggest downside. Still, you also lose the incessant ads/bad UI/UX decisions and ever accelerating late stage capitalism driven enshittification so that’s a big plus.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Yeah, I love it and actually prefer it to my old reddit experience for general browsing.

What isn’t quite there yet is the ability to like, sit down all day and scroll and post in a community dedicated to my current hyperfixation of the week. Be it guitar maintenance, some indie game, or whatever.

But reddit also didn’t have that when I started using it. Excited to hang here and watch the garden grow

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

I’m sure this gets repeated on Lemmy all the time, but I feel like the quality of Reddit posts, even in niche communities about guitar maintenance or whatever, has really gone downhill in the past 10 years or so.

This might come off as mean, but I’ve noticed a significant dumbing-down in terms of what people contribute to Reddit communities but also what people expect to be spoon-fed by those communities. And it’s all presented as this sort of democratization of hobbyist knowledge, where it’s every hobbyist’s duty to educate newcomers on all of the absolute basics and persuade them of why they should care about any of it.

Maybe this is just a side effect of Reddit recommending subreddits to non-subscribers and pushing to become a Facebook-type service for “regular” people - after all, that’s how they make the line go up.

I still prefer old-school forums, which tend to be more insular, less accessible, and expect you to arrive with a modicum of understanding or at least RTFM first. To be blunt, I miss the days when the internet was primarily for geeks.

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[–] Fuck_u_spez_ 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

There's also a wide and endlessly customizable variety of web/mobile clients, something reddit will apparently never have again.

e: Federation is pretty cool, too.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 23 hours ago

The only reason I use it is because Reddit killed the mobile app I was using. Lemmy is less useful to me by every metric, and I still use Reddit when searching for stuff on desktop, never Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

It works for me because I'm into a lot of the stuff discussed on Lemmy. My biggest problem with reddit was that at some point they seemed eager to smoosh all the subs together into one big Basic Betty fest. For example having r/all be a mandatory sub and having a million default subs...It kind of felt like towards the end everyone was discussing the same stuff on every sub, and it was basically the same stuff being discussed on Twitter (and many posts were just pics of tweets).

I know Lemmy kinda has some similar issues, but because the whole ecosystem is its own niche it still works for me.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (15 children)

Welcome here!

Copy pasting from a recent thread on /r/RedditAlternatives trying to address usual criticism against Lemmy.

Federation is confusing, people want a single website they can go to

Email has been working on a federation model for decades. People have to remember if they use Gmail or Outlook, but that's it. It's similar here.

Several communities have the same name, it's confusing, active communities are hard to find

Reddit has a similar issue: you have /r/games as the main gaming community, but there is also /r/Gaming, /r/videogames /r/gamers, etc.

How does someone know what the main community is, whatever the platform? Looking at the number of subscribers and active members.

There was the example of beekeeping: if you search for that topic, the most active one is definitely https://mander.xyz/c/beekeeping with 97 users per month.

The others have barely 1 user: https://lemmyverse.net/communities?query=beekeeping

To find active communities: https://lemm.ee/c/[email protected]. There are regular threads with active communities on topic such as gardening, movies, board games, anime, science, etc.

Who is going to pay for the server costs?

Here is a link to this question to Lemmy admins: https://lemm.ee/post/41577902

Summary of the answers:

  • lowest number so far: lemmy.ml with 0.03€ per user per month
  • a few others (feddit.uk, lemmy.zip) have around 0.11$ per user per month
  • some instances are running on infrastructure that the admins would be anyway, so it's virtually "free"

Most of the instances costs are paid using donations. They regularly post financial updates such as this one: https://lemm.ee/post/41235568

Obviously there is a sweet stop where you can minimize the cost by having the maximum number of users on a fixed infrastructure cost.

If you want to have a look at the number of monthly active user (the "MAU" column): https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy/

Anyway, $ per user is usually meaningless because most of the servers are small enough to be hosted on some random cheap server - adding more users doesn't cost more because they are still well below server capacity. Only the biggest servers have to worry about $ per user.

I had posted this earlier this week on this thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/1fiuuo5/how_much_does_it_cost_per_user_to_host_a_lemmy/

There is too much political content

You can block entire servers and specific communities.

Instances to block to avoid political content

Communities to block

With those blocked, you are avoiding 95% of the political content. There might be a few other communities that pop up, but blocking them is still one click away.

Lemmy is developped by hardcore tankies and I don't want to use their software

As Lemmy is federated using an open protocol, there are other options to connect to the communities without using Lemmy itself.

The first one is Piefed: https://piefed.social/c/[email protected]

The other one is Mbin: https://fedia.io/m/[email protected]

However, those are stil a bit less mature than Lemmy, so for instance if you want to use mobile apps a lot, Lemmy is a better choice.

On top of that, every Lemmy server is managed by different people. You can see regular criticism of lemmy.ml (the instance managed by the Lemmy devs) on threads such as this: https://lemm.ee/post/33872586 or even dedicated communities like https://lemm.ee/c/[email protected]

That shows that even the Lemmy devs are not protected from criticism.

There isn't enough people

Lemmy has 46k monthly active users (https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats) (Mbin and Piefed have around 800 each). Active user is someone who voted, posted or commented.

In comparison, Discuit, which was praised during the API shutdown as "easier to use as it's centralized" has 234 active users: https://discuit.net/DiscuitMeta/post/KdiI1akq. Not 234k, 234 total.

For obvious reasons, the activity is not going to match Reddit levels, and niche communities aren't there.

But it's not an all or nothing situation. Most people on Lemmy still use Reddit for their niche communities, but are also active on Lemmy. And some niche communities are getting more active on lemmy. https://lemm.ee/c/[email protected] ([email protected] ) promotes them.

Also, having less people provides better interactions, as your comments are less likely to get buried in thousands of others. And bots on Lemmy are quickly spotted and banned, while Reddit doesn't seem to do much about that: https://old.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/comments/1fmcelm/askreddit_is_simply_over_run_with_bots/

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Lemmy is developped by hardcore tankies and I don’t want to use their software

I think the main point about this is that, so far, the development has been completely politically neutral and developers have in no way interfered with any instance having other political opinions.
So they have been more neutral than Reddit developers even if they are public about their tankies ideas on their personal publications.
Furthermore, it's open source, so it could be forked any time if needed, unlike Reddit.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

sweet stop

I think you mean sweet spot. Now I'm wondering if it's a typo or an eggcorn.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (9 children)

No. Reddit has a userbase that allows it to be all things to everyone.

Lemmy has a userbase that allows it to be a pretty good linux disscussion forum.

Once you venture away from technology, its crickets. There's a community here specifically for the Cleveland Guardians. It's dead quiet. The Guardians are even in the ALDS right now......granted they're down 0-2 in the best of 7 series......but the ONLY post since they started the playoffs, is me asking why the community was so dead. That topic has 0 replies despite being posted days ago. On reddit, I wouldn't have even needed to make that post, because there would be topics on almost every minute thing the Guardians have done right, and wrong, since the playoffs began.

And then I'd get heckled for saying that Ketchup is the hot dog derby champion. Now and forever! But on here? Nothin.......

[–] [email protected] 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

That's not true! Besides Linux, there's also ⭐Star Trek:-) ✨

[–] [email protected] 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Ah. Yes. I do stand corrected. Lemmy is home to MULTIPLE subject matters that I equally don't care about.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago

Nah. Lemmy is nothing like Reddit, it's actually good.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

An effective alternative in every sense of the word to Reddit? Nope, not by a long shot, but that's mostly a function of time and general awareness that the platform exists. For now, it's a great place for better political debate than what Reddit offers, and in general the memes feel more intimate, like you're viewing something that a lemmy user might have made rather than triple deepfried imgur vomit all over Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

The on-the-fly meme-making by the Trekkies is positively inspiring.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

kinda so-so, so far. shows promise but I've also run more immediately into what could be called 'reddit rot'. For example mod behavior that resembles russian bot farms, etc.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

Yes for me it’s absolutely a viable alternative. It’s still small and that has pros and cons. The overall quality of discourse is high because it’s a fairly hip crowd that has found Lemmy and joined. Feels more like the early days of the social web, before social media shat the bed. But being small has cons too. Some communities just aren’t here, and a lot of the ones here are small and less active. But there’s absolutely a viable base here that can grow over time. I’m glad that the internet figured this out because we were too dependent on Reddit before - it had totally consumed all concepts of online community and that was okay before the enshittification got into high gear. Lemmy from its inception is structurally designed not to go down that path. So spend time here. Share it. Help it grow. Start a niche sub and feed it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Partially. I think it's a good drop in replacement for:

  • Anything technology oriented, from software to hardware to what different open source projects are up to, to what tech corporations are doing, and various discussions around ecosystems (the internet itself, specific services like Discord or Reddit or LinkedIn, app stores, social networking, etc.)
  • Funny memes or other humor

It's got pretty good coverage of certain topics:

  • Politics, at least on specific sub topics
  • Science and specific scientific disciplines

It has a few pockets that work for very specific things:

  • Specific TV show or movie franchises (looking at you, Star Trek)
  • ADHD or neurodivergent support/advice
  • Noncredible Defense is actually here. Love it.

And it's just missing a bunch of things I loved on Reddit:

  • Sports, especially the unique culture of the NBA subreddit
  • Other specific interests in television, film, music, or other cultural interests.
  • Local things in specific cities
  • Finance and economics stuff
  • Lots of specific interests/hobbies are missing, or just aren't as active.
  • Advice/support for career/work life, especially specific careers (in my case, the legal industry and life as a lawyer)
  • Advice/support relating to personal relationships, from parenting to dating to very specific support forums for things like divorce or cancer. Even what does exist here is disproportionately neurodivergent, so the topics of focus seem to be pretty different than what would be discussed in other places.
[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

It's alright but I think the low res weird mouse thing mascot isn't the best, I've always hated reddit's smug bastard shitty alien thing though.

Also it feels relatively empty even though there's data to back there being half a million users.

Also the language filtering is super imperfect to the point I can't use it, so I have to manually filter out 500 non-english communities.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago

Also it feels relatively empty even though there’s data to back there being half a million users.

45k monthly active users

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