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Windows 10 only has a year of support: 12 months left to keep Copilot off your desktop or learn Linux (www.pcgamer.com)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Real talk.

I have been around long enough to know that this conversation has happened ever since Windows 7.

And each time and every time an OS EOL I spend time investigating a couple of Linux distros to try that switch.

This time is no different. From Redhat to Debian to Ubuntu to popOS to Mint. Each one is significantly better than the last.

But even 2024, I'm having to spend time inside the terminal to make the OS act more like Windows.

Tailscale has no native app. Gotta install it in the terminal. I want to use my touch screen in the browser to swipe the back button. Nope, I spent 2 hours on forums and ChatGPT and had to install something in the terminal. I was not successful. My Nvidia video card is not working properly. I gave up after.

Why am I spending hours trying to make my experience like Windows when Windows is right there. Sure sure, privacy and advertising yada yada. Install Adguard and disable services that you don't agree with.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I deal with this issue every few years grappling with a new linux install. And then gaslighted into thinking it's a non-issue when asking for help. "No big deal, just copy these long lines into the terminal to install this thing that would take a single click on Windows". Like being obstinant is a virtue

[–] [email protected] 2 points 29 minutes ago

So you're saying you don't spend hours on a new Windows install?

Or that things that take a moment on Linux may take half an hour on Windows, but God forbid it happens the other way around, unacceptable?

I mean, things that take a single click on Windows are apparently not all you do to make Windows usable, otherwise installing it and setting it up would take less time, right?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

If you still have time & energy to troubleshoot you can create posts for your issues. ChatGPT may give incorrect advice.

I switched because my OS drive was HDD and Win10 was slow & unstable. The background tasks of Win put heavy load on the PC because I didn't have an SSD. Linux was also slow but a bit more bearable, plus it was stable. Did an SSD upgrade years later.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 hours ago

Literally everyone that "threatens" to "switch to linux":

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Stop intimidating folks who just a computer that does work for them with "learn" linux as if linux is a programming language. Many linux distros are super user friendly and work exactly like windows UI.

Beside, why do you think iPhones, as dumb and as bloated and as restricted and limited and overpriced they are, still are the most selling phones worldwide year after year? It's because my 80 yr old mom knows how to use it.

Most people and professionals in the world just want a machine to do their work and are not intrested in learning progamming or command lines to do it. Nurses, doctors and surgeons, non-computer engineers, artists, business managers, ..etc, are too busy and occupied to even change the defaut settings or uninstall anything that comes with windows not because they love it but becuse not intrested and don't care. Add to those groups most, actually all, girls I've ever met in my life. They have different hobbies and learning OSes is not of them. It's like a girl saying "Soon Sephora will discontinue their HilightBrushExfoilioter and everyone who wants to wash their face needs to learn Mac's DeepBeauty routines". while dudes are like we know soaps but wtf is an exfoilating routine. Literally, they don't know what linux is, and it's not going to sell to tell them to learn.

So tl;dr: I'm saying the thing that sells would be Pop OS or Mint, or anything that requires the least or none learning curve.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

While this is true, learning some kind of programming - shell scripting or BASIC in olden days - is a very useful endeavor.

It's very convenient for everyone to be able to automate their work.

And it's not particularly different from cooking something once in a while.

Not required at all to use Linux, of course.

Though for operating systems ... People here for whatever reason downvote things they fear, but even OpenBSD is simple enough. It does require using shell, but as compared to any other desktop OS I touched that's just really negligible and is usually a copy-paste from FAQ.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

While this is true, learning some kind of programming - shell scripting or BASIC in olden days - is a very useful endeavor.

And learning sewing is useful, but I dont need it to wear clothes.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It's not comparable to sewing. That would be learning C++ and Qt.

It's comparable to making a sandwich.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

How is learning C++ and QT not programming?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 hours ago

Golly.

C++ and QT is programming comparable to hard things in life.

Shell scripting is programming comparable to usual things in life.

Capisce?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

For anyone who still needs Windows, I recommend you try the Windows 10 LTSC IoT variant.

It has support until 2032 and has all the bloatware ripped out. It's extremely good.

They even have a Windows 11 version. That's also really good. But I'm guessing if you've avoided upgrading to Windows 11, you'd prefer to stay on 10 anyway.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Is there an easy way to buy this as an individual?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

They typically don't sell licenses to individuals and even if you were able to buy one for a reseller, it would be like $500.

There are other ways of activating it, but they are a gray area, and I'd only be willing to describe them to you through DM

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

This isn't reddit, you don't need to worry about being brigaded or cancelled for talking about piracy or J-Walking

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

More so just trying to give the mods less to clean up if they have to. Plus I think links to it are a faux pas

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Lmao

Windows doesn't sell enterprise shit to normal people

This is why you gotta totally avoid sites like this one https://massgrave.dev/windows_ltsc_links

[–] jayandp 3 points 6 hours ago

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

Essentially, no. If you don't care about the cost, maybe with a MSDN subscription.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 18 hours ago (11 children)

I keep seeing these " time to move to Linux" threads. For my work I have to use super proprietary software which I know for a fact is Windows only. Not only that it's GPU intensive CPU intensive and niche. I'm sure there's a way to run Windows within Linux but I can only imagine the pain in trying to get proprietary shite to work.

On top of that I need specific CAD software, Photoshop and Illustrator. I don't think any of these daily used programs support Linux.

From the outside, Linux just seems like an absolute ball ache to get working with all of the things I currently do without even thinking about it.

I'd love to do it. Not sure it's going to work. Am I wrong?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

If your work requires Windows, then use Windows. Switch to Linux when everything you need is available on it. If alternatives don't exist, then that's it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Different OSes for different use cases. You have a job to do. Just use Windows.

If you want to use Linux, use it on your own machines on your own time.

That said, there are a few things you can do if you really want to use Linux:

Test if the app works on Wine, Proton, etc. Even GPU accelerated apps can work, depending on the software/driver stack.
Run a Windows VM and pass-through a GPU. That way you'll get native performance on the app that's GPU intensive. Use KVM and the CPU overhead will be negligible.
If you're doing 3D modeling/rendering, SFX, video editing or ML/AI, there are a lot of options on Linux. Some options that exist in Windows also have Linux versions.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

No, you are right. In your situation, Linux is just not an option - yet.

I think these posts are meant for the 95% of people that use a browser, and maaaaybe a mail client on their PC.

Photoshop/Illustrator will only ever get ported if enough people have already made the move that Adobe can't afford to ignore Linux any longer.

That being said, if those requirements are just for work, what's keeping you on Windows on your private devices?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

That's a fair point, other than I do need to work at home on occasion!

I'll have a good think about it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 15 hours ago

You could switch to Linux at home and just have a windows VM in case you need to do something for work urgently.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (6 children)

Last month, for the first time, Windows 11 was a more popular OS than Windows 10 in the Steam Hardware Survey. Of course, this is an imprecise science as people have to opt in to having their machines measured but it's a sign of wider adoption. Windows 8, on the other hand, never made it big enough to do the same in its lifespan. Windows 7 was a very popular OS and adoption even to Windows 10 was fairly slow initially, partially down to that skepticism.

You can't cite the jump from 7 to 8 or 7 to 10 without also remarking on the fact users had far more.control over updates back then.

Yeah, Windows 11 adoption is up, because most people don't have a choice, or they didn't care enough to stop it happening automatically, and don't know how to roll it back. That doesn't translate to approval.

At a certain point, adoption rates just don't matter anymore because increasingly the user doesn't have a choice anymore.

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[–] [email protected] 114 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

I am quite disappointed. Given the title, I was like, wow, a generalist PC gaming website recommending people to switch to Linux! Read the article, Linux is not mentioned at all, I don't even know why it is in the title. Getting a few clicks from hippies?

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

There's Windows 10 LTSC, which gets security updates til 2027. And IoT Enterprise LTSC, which gets security updates until 2032.

"But should you even use those versions?!? They are not meant to be installed on a desktop PC/laptop" - idk, it's either this or Win11.

For more info on how to install, check https://massgrave.dev/windows_ltsc_links

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