this post was submitted on 17 Oct 2024
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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards

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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.

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Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.

Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.


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Hello I'm not a person who is affected by this community moderator but I'm posting on behalf of people who are, since they don't seem to know of this community yet. I attempted to reach some via DM but I'm not sure they'll respond. So I'm making this post since I feel this needs to be addressed.

Recently I was made aware of a community that appeared randomly on Lemmy.world. It seems to be a troll community given the type of content, but the reason I'm posting about it here specifically is that this mod seems to be banning anyone who points this out or goes against his narrative. Furthermore he is only using the autoremove on ban function, not removing any content the users have posted, which I believe is deliberate in attempt to prevent the content from showing up under the modlog and revealing the hypocrisy.


Some samples of comments:

Comment from: @[email protected]

Everything else you posted has been pretty cringe but what he fuck is up with this one, dude lol

comment from: @rain_[email protected]

free software is SLOWING DOWN tech advancement??????? WHAT???????

comment from: @rain_[email protected]

i genuinely do not understand your point

comment from: @the_[email protected]

First off, nice new community. I look forward to days of quality posts such as this./s

Second, how many Linux distros have this level of data collection, and what is their estimated market share?

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All of these were retrieved from the API, even though they aren't included in the modlogs, I could've included more but it's kind of a time consuming process to look for them and retrieve them. Viewing removed comments is easier on Lemmy than it is on Reddit but it still isn't easy.

What do you guys think, does this seem like power-tripping? Also does this person's content seem like blatant troll content?

CC: @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected]

People who's comments I mentioned, I CCed them so they know I did this on their behalf

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

This is an example of a community I don't subscribe to, because I'm not the target demographic.

I think a Linux sucks community should exist, it can exist, and if the moderator wants to remove anything about Linux not sucking that's fine too. The way this moderator is doing it, they should just turn on mod only posting.

I looked at the community sidebar, and one of the community rules is no promoting Linux, no defending Linux, so at least it's consistent

Lemmy needs a diverse set of voices.

Counterexample: if I go into fuck cars and talk about vehicles in any positive fashion, I'm going to get dog piled and probably banned

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I've had run-ins with Linuxsucks' owner and basically only poster over on linuxmemes. They're a troll, a contrarian, uninterested in any kind of honest or good-faith discussion, and an overall dickhead. The community is a one-man circlejerk.

You're right about needing counterpoints, but Linuxsucks ain't it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

I think he basically only made it because he somehow thought that if he had his own community his memes wouldn't get as heavily downvoted, as they do on [email protected] though they're pretty wrong about that. Pretty much all but one of their posts there on linuxsucks are getting downvoted heavily.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've actually been fairly fine in fuck cars, both Reddit and Lemmy editions. I actually like cars, well, some of them anyway.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (7 children)

The difference between [email protected] and linuxsucks is that the first one is largely a fact and logic based community about the problems with car dependency in urban areas, and car-dependent infrastructure.

linuxsucks is a single troll who's talking shit about linux for seemingly no real reason, some of his posts are insanely illogical, and make very little sense. So yeah I definitely think these communities are anything like each other.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I think that there are key differences between

  • A community criticising something, backed up by reason and evidence. Even if it's something popular, doubly true if there's a circlejerk around that thing. This can and should exist.
  • A community created to circlejerk against something, through insane troll "logic" and silencing any dissidence. This is fertile grounds for idiocy and misinformation, thus harmful for the society [I can go further on that if desired] and the Fediverse [ditto], and should not exist.

Sometimes the boundary between both is not clear - but this community, unless it's a troll comm, falls cleanly into the second case. Specially given how opaque the moderator is trying to be (check how none of the removals appear in the modlog).

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

I think it's very clearly a troll community since really the only person posting there is the mod, most of which are very transparently troll content, like this one hating on the idea of OpenSource and Free licenses for some really weird reason, that hasn't actually been clarified. Someone said to me when I showed that to them that they could be an alt-right corporate shill, but I don't have enough information to come to that conclusion. Only thing I can clearly tell is that they are very obviously a troll.

And yeah I definitely agree that these types of communities are very harmful, and definitely something we should nip in the bud before they get out of hand and start spreading disinformation, as well as fostering toxic or even dangerous sentiment.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Oh, Hello voice of common sense. Been a while!

Going into subs about a specific topic to troll should get your shit removed.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

I've suggested a rule in the past, but we don't have this rule now.

Community Manipulation

Communities should not be overly moderated in order to enforce a specific narrative. Respectful disagreement should be allowed in a smaller proportion to the established narrative.

i.e. A user should be able to (respectfully, infrequently) post/comment about a study showing marijuana is a gateway drug to !marijuana without moderation tools being used to censor that content.

There are times people wouldn't like it, but it'd fully solve this !linuxsucks issue.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Linuxsucks community? It got to be satirical!

Oh... It's not...

It could be a place to discuss interesting points, for after all, there are legitimate points to be made. But it's not...

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

The ironic part is that by creating this community the mod is actually working against his own movement because he's resorted to trolling and power-tripping, instead of a community to discuss interesting points. Meaning less people will ultimately be willing to take him seriously.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Agreed [email protected] is a far superior community in so many ways, best part of all though, they're not tolerant of slur usage. Which is more than I can say about the one I mentioned in the main post unfortunately.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (16 children)

I unfortunately am starting to lose faith in Lemmy's desire to reduce toxicity. They just now finally banned Linkerbaan, but it took 11 months of extreme trolling in support of Trump for it to happen. Days before the election, they finally took action. The user is probably laughing his ass off, having already reached 99.9% of the users they were hoping to.

Their cherry on top is they got away with accusing people of supporting/loving genocide hundreds of times unscathed. Most of the time where I witnessed that behavior, the person they attacked hadn't even expressed any form of support for Israel.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, only downside is at this point we won't know if what many had speculated would happen. After the election, a lot of us expected them to vanish.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Sure, we lost a prominent one. But we will always have plenty of MAGAs cosplaying as leftists just from federating with .ml.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That account. I doubt they are gone.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

If you hang out in politics communities they are gonna be toxic. I don't think that's a fair characterisation of lemmy in general though tbh. There are plenty of wholesome communities.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I've noticed that very often admins are very slow at dealing with these kinds of problems, also many community mods seem to protect users from receiving admin action. Which really is not good, it leads to people like Linkerbaan and CookieJarObserver being able to thrive and troll for months without issue, and only finally being banned after they've caused the harm months later.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I find it really stupid that Lemmy’s Devs think that reports are a fast and reasonable way of dealing with harassment

What would be the alternative? As you pointed out, it's the admins who can be slow to act

I mean the fact that they consider registration applications to be a silver bullet just goes to show that it never occurred to them that people can and do blatantly lie on their registration applications.

What would be the alternative?

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[–] mindbleach 5 points 1 week ago

They just now finally banned Linkerbaan

Good fucking riddance.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yea we should remove Linux from existence just to see all the things that stop working. No more internet.

Whats next? Watersucks? Unless you are drinking the closed source Coke.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

It's what plants crave:-(

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Lol I just figured I'd respond to a random post about how Linux users are paranoid conspiracy theorists. Got banned on sight. I shoulda seen this coming...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

I'm glad this community is a thing. There is [email protected] for lore, drama and debacles, which is interesting to see when there is conflict between multiple somewhat reasonable sides, but when it's just mods behaving silly it doesn't feel as right a place.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago
[–] mindbleach 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Recently blocked that community and person, once it became unavoidably clear it's not a gag. Just a trolling asshole extraordinaire, picking a fight with like half of Lemmy, and worst of all, doing a shite job of it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

He's currently sunk to using a slur in his memes. Probably thinking it makes him sound cleaver but it just makes him sound immature. Ah well, at least it'll probably contribute to their community or account getting booted faster. Trolling can be overlooked, but slurs are very often a no-no.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People dont get notifications if you pinned them from a post, you have to do it from a comment

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Oh, that's unfortunate. Well I guess I'll just do it in a top comment.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well my only post was telling them to ban me, so mission accomplished I guess

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

I don't think it was that big a feat, he was banning people when the comments were too vague to tell if they were pro-linux or anti-linux. Really funny, and goes to show how insecure he is in his opinions.

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