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Republicans denounce comparison of 27 October event to notorious 1939 rally made by Democrats and Jewish leaders

Donald Trump’s decision to hold a rally in the heart of Manhattan on 27 October, nine days before election day, has been slammed by New York Democrats, with one comparing the booking to an infamous Nazi rally held at the same venue in the lead-up to the second world war.

But it has also triggered a backlash to such sentiments, with Republicans saying such rhetoric heightens tensions even more in a presidential election campaign which has already seen two attempts on Trump’s life.

The Democratic state senator Brad Hoylman-Sigal, whose district includes much of the west side of Manhattan where a date on Trump’s “arena tour” rally has been booked at Madison Square Garden, called on venue owners to cancel the event.

"Let's be clear," Hoylman-Sigal wrote on X. "Allowing Trump to hold an event at MSG is equivalent to the infamous Nazis rally at Madison Square Garden on February 20, 1939."

Hoylman-Sigal was referring to a pro-Hitler rally, organized by the German American Bund, that was attended by more than 20,000 people and featured a portrait of George Washington flanked by swastikas. Many attendees came from Yaphank, Long Island, where the Bund was headquartered and had a summer camp teaching Nazi ideology.


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[–] [email protected] 24 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Don't call Trump a Nazi the rhetoric is going to get him killed!

Lol says the party that directly caused j6 and threats in Springfield.

Fuck this rhetoric angle they literally love trump because he talks like they do. He started normalizing this speech. So you first Nazi fuck. Deescalate do it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 21 hours ago

Dw América seems to LOVE the "deescalate by escalating" doctrine. They're gonna love the civil war remake.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 19 hours ago

can't wait for the empty seats pics

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

There are other creepy parallels to Nazi propaganda techniques, like the flypast and morbid fixation with the death of adherents. The main difference seems to be that trump is less competent and in terminal decline before he achieves his goal. At least Hitler was compos mentis during the lead up to the seizure of power. By the time he completely lost his shit Germany at large was also fucked.

[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 day ago

I'm sure that was exactly the point. They're straight up just doing Nazism. They are Nazis. It isn't hyperbole.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think they can segment this venue down small enough to make this thing look full for him. Is he really sure this is what he wants?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago

I'm shocked MSG had an opening and showed them to Bill it kinda knowing they'd get stiffed.

...unless the owners are rapid enough thinking that they'd be been beneficiaries is the orange turd sleezes his way back into office

[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I hope they ask for the money up front.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

If they do that, he'll cancel it. So, I'm with you on this one.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Am I missing something? This is a major venue that has hosted the DNC and the RNC. What's the story??

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago

I second this. I really don't understand what exactly is different in a rally there compared to anywhere else.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

Yeah, this is like the least nazi thing he's done this week.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

Repubs are mad that the terrorists they radicalized are going after their racist demagogue.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

Is it still rhetoric if it's accurate?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Why are they complaining about him wasting time in a state that will go blue?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I agree, and I can't believe I'm saying this - because the Republicans are unequivocally going full Nazi, BUT

Republicans are doing crazy Nazi shit all the time. Yeah, the date has significance to American Nazis, and normally anything Nazi would have been publically perceived bad pre-Trump.

Even then, the Nazi accusations are often poorly executed and come off more as "EvErYoNe On ThE rIgHt Is A nAzi" and less "You are being categorically lied to, and if you vote Republican you will be irreversibly enslaved by the business class"

But we are so far past Republicans dancing around Nazism that complaining about sharing a Nazi date/location isn't going to make anyone clutch their pearls and see clearly.

Trump and the Republicans going full Nazi doesn't have much impact to the American population because

  1. There are no consequences to being a punk ass Nazi bitch if you're Republican, it's actually a pre-requisite now.

  2. No one is producing content to accurately show the Republican path to Nazism, the parallels, the significance, and the danger. No mention of union riots and former working conditions in the US, nothing.

  3. Both political parties are entirely beholden to the donor class who is warming up to Nazism, which is why the Anti-Nazi rhetoric is only done in small, insignificant doses instead of a competent national Anti-Nazi campaign so Democrats have plausible deniability that they warned the public.

People aren't threatened by Trump and will vote for him because America doesn't tolerate traitors, and if anything Democrats said about Trump is true, surely he would be Jailed in Guantanamo Bay by now.

Total lack of consequences = evidence of innocence, so anything you say against Trump is hand-waved away because if anything was wrong/bad it wouldn't be allowed.

This logic made Trump untouchable so far.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 21 hours ago

I disagree with the second point becuase Robert Evans and his Cool Zone Media podcast network and other notable Cracked alum Cody Johnston and Katy Stoll are both producing great content that does just that, but they are niche and the folks that need to listent to them most will dismiss their mediums and youth.

Highly reccomend Evans's 100% free audiobook The War on Everyone

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, the date has significance to American Nazis

I seem to be lacking this piece of information. Why is this date significant?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

a few thousand people might attend the local event, but hundreds of millions of people will see it or read about it. they'll still be yapping about it when they paint new york state blue on the map at 9:01pm eastern on election day.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well some of the criticism is from Republicans too

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Super critical while they vote for Donald Trump anyway.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

It's about the headline .... it's always about the headline

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

So... will gangsters be waiting outside of this one too?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 day ago

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