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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/20998907

October 01, 2024

Guest - Peter Goodman
NewYorkTimes global economics correspondent

[a surprisingly pro-worker viewpoint from a writer from the NYT -PL]

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Strike just ended. They have a temporary deal that will extend the labor contract until January with a 62% pay increase over 6 year

Unclear about the automation part, though I know there was a previous offer to limit automation at least

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ship-queue-grows-us-ports-dockworker-strike-enters-third-day-2024-10-03/

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Good news.... And they get to take center stage in January again. This shows the power of unions.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Although January’s stage wont be nearly as big as one month before a general election. An election where the price of goods is a major campaign issue.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Burn it all down. SUPPORT UNIONS!!!!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

I support unions but these port workers make a shit ton of money (1 in 3 make 200k per year). They turned down a 50% pay increase plus continued automation avoidance and more employer retirement contributions because they know they can fuck over the US economy during an election year. Downvote me if you want but this is a hostage negotiation.

Edit: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2024/10/02/port-strike-dockworkers-wages/75485424007/

I actually disagree with my post. According to the article I just read, I was correct about how much some of them make (1/3 make $200k or more), but the starting pay does suck ($20 an hour). The average salary was $59k a year. I was wrong and ill informed. Alright, I’ll stand with the union on this one. I agree with their demand.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 hours ago

Hell yeah on changing your opinion to fit the facts, dude. Let's hear it for rational discourse!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

The citation I found for you changed my argument. The original citation I had didn’t inform me of all the information needed to understand how much everyone is paid. The starting pay sucks. I rescind my previous position. I stand with the union on this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 48 minutes ago

This fucking person right here wins the internet today.

[–] timbuck2themoon 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Good on you. That takes some moxy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 34 minutes ago

I don’t mind admitting when I’m wrong. I can’t grow as a human without altering my views to adapt to the facts.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 hours ago

But, I want my Charmin Extra Soft toilet paper! Don’t you remember the bad days during the pandemic! Where Osama Kamala Biden didn’t protect us from price gouging and store runs!!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

DeCuntis has deployed the Florida National Guard.

Fucker

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 hours ago

Nixon did this when the Postal Service went on strike in 1970. He brought in 23,000 national guard troops to New York to deliver the mail.

They failed, miserably, because they didn't know how to do the job. There's clips of interviews with some of them at the time, I remember one, the soldier was trying to sort the mail and laughing about how he didn't understand how the regular guy could do in a couple hours what took him almost all day.

Good luck to him, but he's gonna find out quick that soldiers aren't longshoremen.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 47 minutes ago

That was such a weird season

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Dammit, toilet paper and paper towels are made in the fucking USA, and this is only affecting the East coast dockworkers, and I still can't get a single pack of TP to wipe my ass in Colorado. Mofos

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 hours ago

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