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Vance trying hard to pull off Kamala’s faces from the last debate and only looking constipated.

here we go. hold onto your buts.

Waltz really just needed to say "I goofed." And moved on. That was embarrassing.

I will say, I'm enjoying this debate more than I thought I would, simply because the moderators seem competent and both debaters are behaving like actual adults, even if Vance is a makeup-wearing Yale-bot.

“Shortage” more like venture capitalism and artificially limiting supply.

vance. those economic experts have PhD's but they don't have common sense.

I really hope Walz hammers Vance on women’s rights and LGBTQ issues. Just make that the focus of the whole thing, because those are the issues that will win in the margins of historically nonvoters. I really hope this campaign can finally understand why many voters are disenfranchised, and start finally enfranchising them.

Vast swathes of voters are unaffiliated because nobody cares about them. I know the dem candidates are capable of caring, but they need to show it.

Does Congress need to pass bills to help border patrol?

Vance: The president has to solve it by helping law enforcement.

JD, isn't that what the bill passing through Congress would do?

The borders aren’t open, you numpty twat. Just keep lying.

Do people actually believe the Vice President can single handily pass legislation?

We're ~25 minutes in, and so far I would say this debate is close, but Walz is edging out Vance. He's not as polished, but he's coming across as more genuine, and he's directly answering.

Here we go. Yes, women’s rights.

There’s the attack on intelligence by dismissing PhDs by basically calling them stupid and replacing intelligence with “common sense”, feels before reals.

The “experts” said shipping jobs overseas would save Americans money?

That wasn’t experts, that was business lobbyists and CEOs who wanted higher profits.

GOP was setting the bar low for Vance before the debate, and he easily cleared it, so with low expectations, the consensus will be that he was fantastic. Walz was no surprise, he was fine, so I think folks are going to call it a slight Vance win. It won't matter, neither got hit hard enough, it won't move anything.

woohoo. vance. lets just say its true carbon emissions cause global warming. lets just say.

Remember that Walz by his own admission is "bad at debates" and that Vance is (an admittedly insane) Yale law school graduate. Walz has done few difficult interviews, almost every mainstream interview Vance has done has been difficult because he has to defend Trump. I just think it's important to have realistic expectations.

I'm honestly not sure what to expect, but I imagine Vance will seem like a more polished politician and debater. He is awkward and supports ugly things, but he doesn't seem to get goaded easily. If Walz can summon his "everydad" persona effectively to make it appear like there's a normal candidate and weird candidate up there and use his knack for a folksy phrase or comeback, that will probably be the "takeaway."

Due to the format, these debates have kind of turned into tiktok video farming events, so let's see who gets the most meme-able sound bytes. Let the games begin.

Not being “used” maybe the wildlife needs it?

Minor Vance win overall since he had lower expectations going in and Walz got that one unfortunate extremely clippable misspeak. Vance refusing to admit Trump lost in 2020 and his Springfield...thing though cost him any chance of a rout, which is basically required for a VP debate to have significant upballot effects. Still the Republicans probably appreciate getting Vance above Sarah Parin and Aaron Burr and getting the media distracted for another day or two.

It’s great that vance keeps heaping responsibility on Harris for events that happened while she was VP, events which were nothing a VP could affect.

Also, the world was “stable” under trump because tens of millions of people were dying from covid and the world was locked down. If trump wants to take responsibility for the covid virus, go for it.

woohoo. walz brought up the bill and how its doing the things vance is suggested they are not doing. looking good.

Walz directly quoting Trump's promises about the wall, including the "Mexico will pay for it."

Here we go, reproductive rights.

I love vance pointing out that maybe they don't want to be with their baby after its born.

Walz pointing out that Trump jokes about big storms creating more beachfront property.

"We're the cleanest economy in the entire world." What the fuck does that mean?

No one’s answering the question.

There it is, "I don't know the details. But let me tell you about my kids again"

Walz just comes off as so goddamn nice. I wish I could meet him in person.

"I'm rootin' for you." What? Rooting for me to do what?

Kamala Harris is not the president, and you’re a liar.

Your party has relentlessly fought against the working class, which is why we’re struggling and destitute, even after decades of working for the scraps we have.

You’re a liar Vance.

Why always do this crap, where they act like they're not going to let just babble at their leisure and then they just do it anyway.

"You said you wouldn't call me out on my bullshit!" - JD

Dude, you admit to lying about stuff.

now vance is trying to make it that its the democrats who don't believe in climate change. His argument is ridiculous given the signature ombudsman bill.

Walz is friends with school shooters? Lol whoops