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Diplomats walk out on Israeli prime minister’s speech at UN to protest against devastating war on Gaza and latest attacks on Lebanon

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[–] [email protected] 138 points 1 month ago (4 children)

including scores of women and children

This always assumes that there are no civilian men. I get that men are the ones usually conscripted, but... that's always seemed weird to me.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It makes for a more defensible argument. No sane person is going to argue that a 4 year old child is an enemy combatant. But a 20 year old male? It's easy to argue they could have been an enemy combatant and so maybe the numbers are inflated. Saying 1000 people can be interpreted as 999 enemies and only 1 civilian casualty. Saying 1000 women and children is usually interpreted as 1000 innocent lives lost.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's true, but super fucked that women get the innocence of children and men are assumed to be not innocent in any situation.

Life is harsh when you're a guy.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Given the Israeli position on military rape, it's just a different flavor of attrocity.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

But a 20 year old male? It’s easy to argue they could have been an enemy combatan

The age old problem of "excess males" solved by declaring open season on anyone with facial hair.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 month ago (2 children)

In Gaza casualty numbers any adult man is assumed to be a combatant by Isreal.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And a child is assumed to be a future combatant.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And woman a combatant factory?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

They’ll probably start calling grains of sand terrorists.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Anyone past puberty actually.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Call to emotion, nothing else. Women and children "sounds" worse than "people" dying.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

I mean, a score is 20. I think that means they've killed two thousand scores of people. "Scores of women and children" doesn't really do that justice.

[–] [email protected] 104 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If he is still able to speak and be heard, then they arent loud enough. Every single person in that room needs to be screaming to demand his immediate arrest.

[–] Grandwolf319 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Good point, them leaving says I don’t want to be involved not that I want to stop the injustice.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

It's the only way they can express their revulsion at Israel, and the US who constantly block anything else they might try

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Cool. Now do something that stops him. Going for a coffee won't save lives.

[–] [email protected] 100 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

The UN is a forum for dialogue. Expecting the UN to do something other than either say stuff or help by mandate supported by countries just shows you don't understand what their purpose is.

Walking out in this case sends the message. If these countries want to do something about it they can, other countries might intervene on Israëls behalf. The UN provides a forum to discuss this kind of stuff. So countries don't end up in wars they did not want.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Maybe so... but I feel like this is one of the biggest mistakes in the post WWII order. Imagine what things would be like if the UN had more teeth (and no security council)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Imagine what things would be like if the UN had more teeth (and no security council)

well then russia would be right about NATO lmao

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Only the US (or Israel's Arab allies bought by the US) can do that and yeah.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

why isn't he arrested already? I wish I had similar privileges, where I could break laws (thst don't violate human rights ofc.), make a shitload of money and travel the world freely.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Now if they would actually take action.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don't worry, they'll pass another strongly worded resolution.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Which the USA will find a way to veto or Israel will continue to ignore it.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

We've always been good at walking away, closing our ears, turning a blind eye…

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