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The UN is a forum for dialogue. Expecting the UN to do something other than either say stuff or help by mandate supported by countries just shows you don't understand what their purpose is.
Walking out in this case sends the message. If these countries want to do something about it they can, other countries might intervene on Israëls behalf. The UN provides a forum to discuss this kind of stuff. So countries don't end up in wars they did not want.
Maybe so... but I feel like this is one of the biggest mistakes in the post WWII order. Imagine what things would be like if the UN had more teeth (and no security council)
well then russia would be right about NATO lmao
I don't get what you mean.. can you elaborate?
If the UN had those powers, it would essentially be what russia accuses NATO of being. A body with the ability to regulate bodies outside of it's own jurisdiction.
Russia likes to shitpost about NATO being an existential threat to russia/china whatever, even though that's not true. The UN would essentially become this version of NATO. Just not militarily, which is good enough for russia lol.
Ah yes.. good point.. thanks for explaining.
I have a hard time imagining how that would work. Because teeth would mean there is a mechanism that could ultimately force countries to supply warm bodies to do enforcement.
Yes, but they don't. They go grab a coffee. Look, I know many countries are very vocal about their disagreement. I'm just so pissed there are still others (mine included) that seem to be absolutely blind to any of the atrocities and respond with neverending loyalty. In my county I even understand that to a degree, but still I'm beyond pissed. Accepting the genocide your ancestors caused and the moral consequences of it shouldn't result in accepting another one driven by former victims. What Israel does is vile and unacceptable. And I say Israel, not the Israelis or 'the Jews', because I'm not a complete idiot. But there are people who might use the antisemite card on this. Maybe because they are complete idiots, or because they are off the same ideals and moral as the Nazis. And this behavior sickens me.
Well yes, the risk that is present is that if countries where to openly intervene and wage war against Israël, the US would intervene on the side of Israel.
Talking in the UN allows them to weigh their options, which allows them to make more informed decisions. Regardless of the subject matter at hand.
I'm not talking about war with Israel. But condemning them. Stopping trade. Calling in diplomats. There's a lot of granularity between peace and war.
Do you think this isn't a condemnation by diplomats?
I think it is. As soft and vanilla as they get. Meanwhile people are dying by the hundreds and thousands a day. I'm not sure if the reaction meets the required pressure.