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I'm going insane. I cannot for the life of me find a suitable way to listen to music privately. I'm on iOS, and I don't know whether to just stick to Apple Music or give up on music in general (I tried, TRIED to go local, but all the apps are shitty). Any way to listen to music and not have your data compromised? Should I just stick to Apple Music and hope that laws change (maybe something like EU's DMA?)

Edit: Hey all! First of all, thank you so much for all the recommendations! I've discovered so many great apps and tools I didn't even know existed (and it has also brought my hopes up for privacy in general). Even though it's still not perfect, I've been using foobar2000 on iOS, downloading music I find (I'm still using Apple Music for discovery, but will probably stop when my subscription ends this month). For desktop I'm using HyperPipe, which although a little buggy at times is so awesome! One thing I do miss about this system is the lack of lyrics. Apple Music has such a beautiful UI when it comes with lyrics, but you can't have it all when it comes to privacy it seems. Thanks for the amazing discussion! I'm so far loving Lemmy ;)

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

I'll be honest, the only way to listen to music privately is to download it. (And using an opensource music player)

There are Github repositories with CLI programs to download complete Spotify playlists with Youtube and also download their metadata.

[–] merde 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

there are also CDs and vinyl 🀷

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

something brilliant I've found with modern vinyl is a lot of them come with a download card so you can get lossless files.

now if they would just fucking advertise which ones that would be great.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Whoa, you can store music on CDs? That’ll save me a lot of bandwidth!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

This. There was music before the internet.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I wrote a few scripts to automate this entire process for me:

https://zemmy.cc/post/25500?scrollToComments=true

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[–] Vendetta9076 51 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yeah. Buy it directly from the artist then throw it all into a self hosted service like plex or jellyfin.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yup. Buy CDs, vinyl or digital from Bandcamp or from the artist direct and then host it on Plex.

I've thought about trying jellyfin but Plexamp is just so nice that I don't think I could leave it.

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[–] HumanPerson 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I use a jellyfin server plus finamp for ios plus totally legal downloaded music that was 100% legally obtained.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

+1 for Jellyfin with Finamp (or Fintunes). Also what I use and it’s fabulous.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I still buy CDs. And back then up to play in my truck. And rip them.

I still think OWNING media is a good idea. No privacy issues at all.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most of the stuff I listen to isn't mainstream and the band are on Bandcamp. It's great being able to buy the FLAC version right away.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

https://daily.bandcamp.com/features/bandcamp-fridays-update

it's worth noting that the first friday of each month they usually forgo their cut so more money goes to the artists.

[–] LazerDickMcCheese 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Always this, never let physical copies die. They can't revoke shit legally bought and personally archived

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Do people not just download music anymore?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'm 26, and don't know anyone, myself included, who purchases and downloads music to any significant degree. Essentially everyone I know just uses streaming platforms.

[–] SomeAmateur 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Part of my job is traveling by air, so I got a $30ish sandisc mp3 player with a 200+gb sd card. I have a bunch of music and sometimes podcasts on there. Saves my phone battery, has zero ads, and as a bonus it has fm radio for surfing the stations below as they fade in and out every minute or so.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sounds terrible for privacy.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Respectfully, I think you may be drastically overestimating how much average people care about that.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think you should expect any privacy on an Apple device

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Im on a Jailbroken iPhone with all Apple network requests blocked with AdGuard and no Appleid.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Have you considered Funk Whale, the Spotify of the Fediverse?

https://funkwhale.audio/

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Self-host your library? I don't know why that seems so hard, going by your phrasing.

If you absolutely must listen to music online (I empathise, I need to do so to find new music), here's what I do: Librewolf with Ublock Origin, Cookie Manager, Dark Reader, NoScript + music.youtube.com.

No advertisements, minimal tracking (because you will explicitly disable every other script than the one(s) required to stream music). Use a VPN and fake your user-agent/browser fingerprint for more privacy (haven't done it since I can't figure out how to do so for Firefox).

Cheers

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Yarrr harrr didgeridoo

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You could get Spotify and switch it to private.

I don’t really care about other knowing what music I listen to and even use the β€œAI" to give me songs that I might like. Most of them are not my type but there is 1 or maybe 2 every week that are good that I’dβ€˜ve never searched for.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Exactly, what are the privacy risks of letting someone know what type of music do you like?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you want something on Android, check out ViMusic. It uses YouTube Music as a back-end and can recommend stuff based on what you listen. It also supports offline playback. On desktop, you can use Hyperpipe. It also uses YouTube Music as its back-end.

If you want ultimate privacy, then download your favorite songs and use VLC or self host them and stream it from there.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

an MP3 player like foobar2000 ...?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I download the music from YouTube (through front-end services like Piped) and play it locally through a music player.

I don't know how it works on iPhone (I have an Android phone), but I can use NewPipe and LibreTube and Seal to download the music. If I'm on the go that is. Otherwise I download the music through ytdlp and transfer the files to my smartphone.

Apple really restrict their users to their own ecosystem.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm using Qobuz. Since it is a rather small service, I just hope it is more private than the "big players" like Spotify/Apple Music. But the main benefits of Qobuz are the audio quality and the (afaik) highest payment per streamed song for artists.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

If anyone is interested, i recently developed my own system of defining my music library declaratively in the Nix programming language and started switching to it. It creates folders as playlists and can automatically download the music from YouTube or SoundCloud. I plan to expand and improve this further.

I doubt this will work on IOS tho, sorry OP.

https://codeberg.org/quantenzitrone/declarative-music.nix

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Classic iPod or mp3 player? Also, the β€œMusic” app on iOS still works like iTunes. You can load albums directly from your computer, even without an Apple Music subscription. Or you could get a Walkman.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Local with Plex and Plex amp was my best experience. It’s really well done.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Jellyfin + Finamp is usable, too.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Setup your own subsonic or ampache server. nextcloud has an app for that.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

If you don't want to go local or want a streaming service : qobuz is the less shitty of all options regarding privacy.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Setup a Koel instance at a host of your choice. Upload your music to it and stream from that. See https://koel.dev/

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Have a copy of all your music and use syncthing if apple allows it that is. Otherwise get a deegoogled android running grapheneOS

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I self host Ampache and have Sublime Music on my desktop and Substreamer on my Android device.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you want a streaming service, you could try HyperPipe. It's an alternative frontend to YT Music. There's also BeatBump, but it doesn't really work.

If you wanted to go local (which I recommend), have you tried foobar2000? It's proprietary, but I trust it and it does its job very well. No ads, no data collection at all, and it plays just about every audio format you'll normally come across (apart from MIDI files). You can also customise it with skins, sync over FTP, and play internet radio streams.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

For Android- Blackhole | web - beatbumb and hyperpipe

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

MP3 files that you own. They can never take them away from you, and you don't have to pay every month for them.

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