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Like, I get it - there are people in both communities that might be pushy in one way or another. But, like, come on. One of them is a way of life that strives towards excluding as much pain and suffering in the world of innocent beings as possible and the other is a fucking OS. Grinds my gears.

Any thoughts?

Edit: What I meant specifically is the "pushiness" and "preachiness" that's attributed to both. Not sure if this is just my bias from observing comments about the recent discourse around the whole vegan cat food debacle, but yea

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It's the result of the meme factor that both groups will self identify themselves. It's the age old joke of "how do you know someone [is/does] Z"? (They'll tell you)

Doesn't bother me though

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

One of them is a way of life that strives towards excluding as much pain and suffering in the world of computing as possible and the other is a fucking moral philosophy.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

please, veganism is a way of life but arch linux is my reason to live.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Amen to that.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Society is structured to marginalize new ideas that challenge social cohesion. In this way both linux evangelists and vegans are going to be denigrated as preachy because of the status quo's defense mechanisms. The only reason this seems related though is lemmy and the completely ridiculous linux discourse.

Linux already won. Linux dominates all other operating systems by far. Most servers in the world are linux, most phones are android, most laptops are chromebooks. iOS and Mac OS are BSD. The discussion on Lemmy is solely about endpoints people are using to play video games. The Arch thing is just a stupid meme.

I too wish I could impress on people how much more important veganism is than linux lol

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

The relevant comparison between Linux (FOSS in general) and Veganism here is that we're at the stage of acceptance where the ceiling is how many potential allies who would immediately "get it" when presented with the idea. Making people talk about Linux/Veganism more is effective, even if it means being as loud and obnoxious as possible (all publicity is good publicity!)

Yes, creating one Vegan is ten million times more desirable than creating one Linux user, but like most "radical progressive" ideas; I think one does more to reinforce, than steal breath from, the other.

I'm willing to bet the average FOSS advocate is significantly more likely to be Vegan too.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

Being against gassing animals to death and being for finding better ways to express that opinion with software aren't exclusive to each other. Arch Linux is a community around a tool and veganism is a philosophy of how to use our tools. No need to hate on either or to keep them separate. Veganism is grim, but it is not a funeral.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I dont mind because veganism and arch linux are two great things. Its like hummus and crackers.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

I added what I meant in the post's body

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This was unexpected. I'm a vegan Arch Linux user, never heard of any association to be honest.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

Hey, me too. Maybe we all are and there is no comparison, but vegans and Arch users are the same group!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

I added what I meant in the post's body