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Israel attacks southern Lebanon, Hezbollah launches rockets at Israel (www.aljazeera.com)

submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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... The Lebanese group said in a statement on Sunday that it fired more than 320 Katyusha rockets at 11 Israeli military bases and barracks, including the Meron base and four sites in the occupied Golan Heights.
it said it targeted military bases to “facilitate the passage of drones” towards their desired targets deep inside Israel. “And the drones have passed as planned". ...

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago

And yet more war crimes. Disarm Israel!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Fuck Israel, racist and genocidal state

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

All religious ethnostates behave this way. The line doesn't stop at Israel.

Fuck religious governments.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I wonder if any American president has the spine to not let another country drag us into another war.

nah.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

i agree with you in that, in my opinion, America and the West should not support the genocide committed against Palestine. Also, they should not engage in wars to grab petroleum resources. Disclaimer : i've never been (surprise!) and American president.

[+] [email protected] -64 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

You have the sequence wrong. Hezbollah has been firing missiles at Israel, over 300 according to the Hindustan times. They have also been using drone strikes. Israel fired back.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Or you know the Hindustan times has it wrong.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c14zgv18l55o.amp

Israel started attacking first days ago. Israel has been launching so many attacks trying to start a regional conflict.

[+] [email protected] -41 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Hezbollah have been firing missiles for years on and off. That is why Israel offed one of their leaders recently.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Nice moving the goal post back.

Shame you can only go back so far before Israel predates Hezbollah and the blame game ends with Israel once again holding the ball.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Let's skip the tit for tat and jump straight to the end of this chain of violence begetting violence eh? Israel establishes a colony and begins the violent displacement of local native palastinians. There, we did it. If your "well he did it first" form of moral judgement holds true then we should see a fun shift in attitude's.

But it never was about that really?

[+] [email protected] -6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Why don’t those pesky Jews just themselves be slaughtered? /s

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Palastinians spent 80 years getting slaughtered. I'd prefer if no one was getting slaughtered instead of my preferred racial group you fucking monster.

Equating what I'm saying to a call for the genocide machine to turn in reverse rather than stopping it all together is a self report brother. You cannot imagine peace. You just see this as a fight to extinction. You support the genocide.

Here's a fun history fact. One time we almost had peace. Palastinians agreed to it. Israel agreed to it. Things were looking up.

And then genocidal Israeli terrorists assassinated their own prime minister to continue the oppression.

Funny that.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Palastinians spent 80 years getting slaughtered

They spent decade after decade refusing peace deals and losing the wars they started.

Here’s a fun history fact. One time we almost had peace. Palastinians agreed to it. Israel agreed to it. Things were looking up.

And then Palestinians chose to start the second Intifada literally killing off all hope for peaceful coexistence in Israel. Palestinians demonstrated over and over that they are not partners for peace.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Brother, if I roll up to your house. Beat the shit out of you, lock you in the basement and then say "okay. Now that your in the basement we should stop fighting" are you going to be cool with that?

It's not peace when you run apartheid on palastinians in your country and constantly colonize and push out palastinians not in your country.

I want you to think about a similar situation. United states and Native Americans. Do you think America was in the right to go into native villages and burn and slaughter them because some of the natives would terror attack American colonists? Do you sympathize with the natives who went and terrorized American colonists who were stealing their land?

It's pretty universally accepted at this point that America committed genocide against the native Americans and the Israeli treatment of palastinians is historically very similar in both motive, methods and excuses.

You focus so hard on what the side with no power, no authority does when backed into a corner and ignore the slaughter that they have withstood for 80 fucking years.

What is it to you that makes you so unwilling to have sympathy? Skin color? Language? Religion? Because you were born in a country that geo politically backs one side so that's your team now?

If I took this sitch, removed all the names you knew and just told the story of 2 groups of indistinct humans, I guarantee you wouldn't be picking the side of isreal. No moral person could.

What's even more interesting is that unless your an Israeli trying to defend your states genocide to feel less bad about the blood you stand on, you ain't even getting anything out of it. At least the genocidal colonists who push the frontier and steal palastinians homes get a home out of it. What do you get? You get to be the stain of a history book. The question high schoolers ask 200 years from now "why did anyone support ~~Hitler killing all the Jewish folk~~ isreal killing all the palastinians?" And the history teacher will have to answer "because no one is immune from propaganda"

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Are Native Americans blowing themselves up on buses in cities, fire rockets at cities, slaughter festival goers, and abduct children?

Palestinians have lost the war over and over. At some point they have to accept that and take a peace deal. You can only make peace with your enemy.

America committed genocide against the native Americans and the Israeli treatment of palastinians is historically very similar in both motive, methods and excuses

They only have superficial similarities. For example: Just look up when Native Americans gained citizenship. Israel has 20% Arab citizens with full rights.

why did anyone support Hitler killing all the Jewish folk isreal killing all the palastinians?

That’s an antisemitic blood libel. There’s no killing of all the Palestinians going on. It’s just a war in a dense urban environment. If Israel wanted there would already be a million dead Gazans.

Settlements in the West Bank should stop.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Man, you should really look up how native attacks on settlers went if you think they were somehow tame in comparison. Interesting that, you never spent time to focus on the crimes and atrocities committed by the natives to the extent that you don't even know how brutal it was. Interesting that. Thanks for proving my point on that front.

"At some point they have to accept that" Why? That's some might makes right moral philosophy right there. Just completely dropped a facade of morality and just went with "Israel has a monopoly on violence, thus palastinians deserve to lose"

Equal rights my ass, https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/

Funnily enough, this is also similar to the American and native American relationship. Legally natives became "citizens" in 1928 and thus had access to "equal rights" but didn't actually fully get the right to vote till 1948, and that was only when they legally got it.

All this to say, you know what's better than giving natives rights to vote in the nation we stole from them? Giving it back. Oh it'd be hard and economically devastating? Should of thought about that before stealing the fucking land. Hell to pay and we still make the natives pay for it.

Antisemitic blood libel lol. Now your just spitting insults. Israel don't like being compared to Hitler and his crimes? Maybe don't repeat them. Never Again meant Never again. Ever. To anyone. Notice how I'm not saying "the Jews" in relation to the state of Israel? Because Israel isn't a monolith of jewdom. It ain't the culture, it ain't the religion, it ain't the race. It doesn't own that identity no matter how much they want to cover themselves in it. It's a state, one which has made these same crimes regardless who's in charge.

Oh you view the settlements in the West Bank as bad? Remember it's been happening like that for 80 mother fucking years. State sponsored and all. Pushing palastinians further and further. To the frontiers. Killing those who resist and you wonder why palastinians would fight back as brutally as they have. Because when an Israeli settler stops your palastinian car for driving on his isreal road (which he could tell cause the state mandates distinct license plates for palastinians) do you really think the Israeli state in any form will take the side of the palastinians?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

might makes right

That’s how states and power work, yes. Most places people live and states exist now were inhabitated by others before.

Saying “Isntreal”, “Zionist entity”, or whatever is denial and lying to yourself.

What do you think about the 800,000 Jews that had to flee from Arab and Muslim countries after Israel was established? Do they deserve to return and get their lost property back?

What other historical injustices do you want to roll back? Millions of Germans lost their homes and land at the end of WW2. Should India and Pakistan be united again and millions moved?

Sure you can play into the Palestinian dream of a Jew free Palestine and violence as the way to achieve it. That way has only lead to Palestinians losing war after war over and over.

[+] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Obviously the Jews in Baghdad deserved to be ethnically cleansed because some Jews elsewhere were refusing to be pushed into the Mediterranean. It’s just very convenient that it’s always the Jews’ fault.

India and Pakistan is just another example of a population exchange with a large number of refugees happening around the same time as Israel’s independence. As you well observed, it’s not a good idea to try and reverse history in that case. However for Israel and Palestinians going back to a historically unstable state is somehow desirable according to you.

Both Palestinians and the Jewish people have a right to self determination. They claim some of the same land, so a compromise has to be found. Delegitimization of Israel only acknowledges one side and fuels this long lasting conflict.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I claim your land. Now get into the basement.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You and what army?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Interesting that. A person, especially a violent one cannot hide their nature for too long. I hope you receive the kind of justice you believe in some day.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

I never talked about justice. The obsession with “justice” (destroy Israel) in this case only leads to more violence and suffering.

Making peace with your enemy and finding coexistence and reconciliation is the better goal.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Israel literally started all of this and is continuing its aggression

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Hindustan times is a genocidal hindufascist propaganda outlet under control of the Indian president Modi. They advocate for Pogroms against muslims in India.

The moment they "report" anything in relation to Muslims it is heavily skewed at best.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

You have everything wrong.