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[–] [email protected] 197 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

You missed "Climate change is real and caused by humans but it's the responsibility of individuals to fix it."

[–] [email protected] 88 points 2 weeks ago

"It's not the company's fault that you didn't recycle. Grow up!"

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 weeks ago

Why should our profits go down to save the world?

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 weeks ago

Or just "Climate change is real, but it is to late to do anything about it".

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago

Doing God's work

[–] JohnDClay 39 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Right now oil companies are at an inserted stage before oops which is "it's too hard and too late to do anything about it now, we're all doomed anyway"

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

“Hydrogen is the Future” - sponsored by Shell

After years of denialism and fucking up our planet these cunts want to sell us the solution to the problem they caused so that we stay dependent on their supply chain and pipelines.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

The one case I have seen for hydrogen, that might be useful, is that when things like solar energy generation, create and overload of power, it can be used to create hydrogen, then the hydrogen can be stored, and used for a variety of ways to power things, in a largely eco-friendly, way. Otherwise... yeah.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Losses stack up for hydrogen. It's kinda of a bad battery and storage is dangerous. Fuel cells are bulky and fragile.

Right now, it's relatively viable because we get it as a petrolium byproduct. But that version doesn't burn very clean.

Once we're using solar at home, it's green, but you're chewing through freshwater which isn't ideal.

Something like sodium ion batteries would be better is most ways. (Other than refilling cars in a gas station)

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Not only this, H₂ is also a green gas, and we can't afford the leaks of H₂ due to the used as an energy supply.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

I have an idea that might work for solving climate change. It has no scientific basis but hear me out, I think it's worth at least trying. We should try sacrificing some oil execs in a volcano. Maybe tie them to a barrel of oil so that the earth understands we are trying to return what we took and make up for it a bit, so please chill out. Probably won't actually do anything but it wouldn't hurt to at least try it for a few decades, right?

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

There is the doomerism timeline. "Well, it's too late now, no reason to change anything now!".

Doomerism is just an evolution of binary thinking.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

There is a more extreme version of doomerism which is accelerationism.

So sure, we may be doomed, and since no one is doing anything about it in time.. fuck it, let's speed things up. Build more coal, clear cut forests, kill every insect. Let's show people how bad it can get and how fast. No one's grandchild gets a future.

The nice thing about this worldview is that you wake up every morning to good news. New oil pipelines, shrinking aquifers to cool data centres, a couple dozen more extinct species, etc.

This belief system sees humans as a plague on the planet that is luckily self-healing. Good luck to the next wave of humans in 2-30 million years.

Sounds crazy right? Maybe, but since the only historical alternative is class violence, ..and since that's a no-no topic, we are left with the choice to accept a terminal diagnosis and just die like a good peon. We wouldn't want to inconvenience rich people.

The same rich people who have been spending the past two decades building reinforced under-mountain bunkers and meeting with security advisors for tips on how to keep human security in line in a world where money has no value. But no, that's just a hobby, they totally don't think the world is in trouble.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

That's a strawman of doomerism. There's as many different opinions as there are "doomers", but most are probably in the realm of "do what we can to reduce the damage, but the science and math is saying we're way past any great solutions." I guess some would call that realism to separate it from the doomer label, but whatever it's called, that's where we are.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)
[–] DudeImMacGyver 10 points 2 weeks ago (26 children)

Let's get rid of fossil fuels and eat more plants?

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[–] Bread 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Give up cheese... Or die...

Sometimes sacrifices must be made. It is a shame though, this planet is pretty.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'd add an overlapping step sponsored by BP in 2004: "Climate Change is real, and here's a calculator to show you, that we have nothing to do with it."

For the uninitiated: The Carbon Footprint Calculator was introduced by BP in 2004 as what can only be described as a successful attempt to shift attention and blame to the general public.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Like...why would anyone believe a company whose interest is enmeshed with their claims?? A company isn't a person with morals. It's a Machiavellian machine with the sole purpose of maximizing profits. They will never ever intentionally make a claim that hurts their profits. It would make absolutely no sense for a company to reduce demand of its product. That would be soooooo counterintuitive. If you sold lemonade, would you publish a study that showed that lemonade harms people? If yes, then your company would stop selling lemonade and disband while every other lemonade seller would flood the market with the benefits of consuming lemonade.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

no dispute there. The thing is, it wasn't advertised like that. It was advertised as: Here's this scientifically sound tool to measure your impact and judge what you can do. Which in and of itself wouldn't be a bad thing if it wasn't burying the lead.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Same for Shell, if I remember correctly.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago

You forgot the "yes it is real and it's the consumers fault" phase

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There is one step in between. "Climate change is real and caused by humans, but it's already too late, might as well keep drilling"

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Executives for these companies should publicly hang for this

[–] explodicle 5 points 2 weeks ago

Abolish the corporate veil! Their children and children's children deserve to go to public school.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Climate change deniers changed their tune. They re-branded themselves as "climate skeptic", and from outright denialism they shifted to "climate change is happening, but it happened before and this one will not be as bad."

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

A lot of O&G industry has pivoted to "Only we can fix climate change!" then started mopping up federal grants and subsidies to build quixotic hydrogen fuel cell, carbon capture, and "clean" carbon projects that consistently fail to pay dividends.

Their Republican enablers then point to these failures and announce "climate change is a hoax! We should go back to Drill Here, Drill Now!"

We go back into a debate, while O&G profits surge and temperatures continue to rise. Then everyone in the economy panics when a foreign power takes the lead on battery and nuclear technology.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The one from Total lately is more subtle: climate change is real and humans cause it, but there's still an increasing demand for fossil fuel, so we answer it (would rather buy more from the Russians?), by opening new wells we keep it affordable for the people (do you want yellow jackets again?).

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

It would be nice to at least have a plan to one day be immune to oil price chaos and geopolitical fights surrounding distant oil wells. And day now...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

I think the only way is to reduce oil dependency. As long as it exists, people will exploit the dependency for economical and political advantage.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

Let's all remember that jury nullification exists, even if being on jury duty kind of sucks.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

we're approximately three inches right of fuck

I zoomed in the image as much as I could so 3 inches to the right is not that bad. I'm glad I could pull my weight to save the climate.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

Progress 🙄

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

Before that: 80 years of "things are definitely going to heat up"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Even if someone isn't convinced climate change is caused by humans, pretty much all of the shit that causes climate change is some form of pollution.

Can we make an effort to pollute our environment a little less, at least?

Stop burning finite resources like coal and oil, just because?

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