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From the article: OLED and MicroLED are the future

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[–] jubilationtcornpone 67 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Now if I could just a "dumb" TV that doesn't have a bunch of built in apps, which apparently is now a huge ask. I just want my TV to display whatever HDMI port is currently selected. Not nag me about connecting it to WiFi every time I turn it on.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Look into commercial displays. They are meant for store fronts and guest areas. These screens are typically built a bit more robust than consumer TVs. They may only have one of each input ports, may lack soundboard and built-in tuners, but they have sleeker designs and lack smartTV bloatware. You may need more peripheral equipment for the screen to function as a home use TV. Just do a little research and see if this works for your setup.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys 3 points 1 year ago

I might look into this for a table to play Pathfinder and D&D on. I've been looking for a cheap, durable, no frills display to build a table around.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

But then how would they get that sweet sweet metric data they can resell? Think of the megacorps!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

and not spy on me

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think there are expensive models that come without any software shit. However I simply "gave up" and don't connect the TV to any network. It doesn't see a network cable and won't get my wifi credentials. Therefore it neither needs nor receives updates. Everything "smart" is done by an attached Kodi box and a FireTV stick, which I both can exchange when their time is up.

[–] ChickenAndRice 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This might not be a solution that fits your needs, but personally this is why I buy computer monitors instead of TVs now

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What size of computer monitor do you use as a TV?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I have LG C1 that's not connected to the internet and I have not noticed any nagging. Pretty much just switch between HDMI outputs and that's it. Thankfully the input switch and apps are behind a different button unlike Samsung and their overly simple remote. (can even hold number button to switch to a specific source without menus)

[–] fadedmaster 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just disabled the "smart" features on my Samsung S95B and set it to run the last used "app." Which is just the last used input.

It's not perfect, but combined with HDMI CEC I almost never need to go into the ugly menu. I don't mind the smart menus of the older TVs when it was a separate part of the TV you could ignore. But the integration in these new TVs where inputs are treated like another smart app and you have to go past apps to get to picture settings is just bad design.

Not to mention serving ads for each manufacturer's own streaming apps on a device someone spent a lot of money on us completely unethical. But at least disabling the Internet features took care of that issue.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yikes! So you mean you just can't switch inputs without the smart TV side anymore? Time to avoid the Samsungs then...

[–] fadedmaster 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can switch inputs. But it forces you to go through the home screen to do so. And to make things worse, game consoles are relegated to a different section of the home screen (there's gaming and media).

It's an awful user experience initially. But once I disabled a lot of it and just got a Roku, it's a great TV. But I wasn't going to spend the extra nearly $1k to get the Sony QD-OLED, and I have beef with LG since they made me wait nearly four months trying to get a refrigerator repaired or replaced under warranty (and it was a no cool problem... Not like a broken ice maker or something). So I stay away from LG.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I had the same battle with Samsung over my fridge. Never buying a Samsung fridge again after this, had 2 replacements under warranty since October 2020, which is when I bought it.

[–] fadedmaster 2 points 1 year ago

It's crazy isn't it? I used to work in electronics and appliance repair. No cool calls were given top priority and if we couldn't fix it within days, most warranties would just replace it. This was only a decade ago. I am so glad I don't have to stand in a customer's home and tell them they're SOL because Samsung, LG or any other company won't authorize replacement/buyout, despite being unable to repair it due to the lack of available parts.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have been reading about MicroLEDs for years now, never bought any OLED because of the burn-in. I'm curious when MicroLEDs will actually hit the mass-market and at what price-point and also how they will scale for smaller screens.

[–] fadedmaster 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've had my QD-OLED for a little while now and it has had quite a bit of static images on it without any trouble. From what I read before I bought it, OLEDs in general really don't have a burn-in issue like the early models did.

From what I can tell they're better than even plasma was at the end. And you'd have trouble actively trying to get permanent burn in on some later model plasmas. I used to service TVs and appliances. In most cases outside of using a plasma display for digital signage, I'd be able to run a swiping pattern for a little bit to get rid of the image retention. The only exception I really had for a plasma that was used in a residence was an older couple who didn't have a widescreen source and only watched shows in 4:3 aspect ratio. They finally got the HD channels from their TV provider and realized they had the bars on the sides burned in (really the screen aged unevenly).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

My wife and I bought our used OLED for just under $900. The screen had maybe 400 hours of use on it. In the 8 months since then, we've added another 900 or so hours. Some days, I'm playing Zelda all day. Other days, we don't turn it on at all. Only thing it didn't have was the feet, which was okay since we were always going to mount it.

I have no regrets about buying an OLED TV so far. As far as I've read, these screens can run 40-80k hours and still retain half their original brightness. Assuming I get 60k out of mine and it takes 8 months to add 900 hours, I've got 43 years before the screen is down to 50% brightness. I'm planning to replace it in ten or fifteen anyway.

The depths in Tears of the Kingdom look DAMN GOOD on an OLED, especially in a dark room.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

wow, this whole comments thread is just like reddit. love it, keep the faith ya'll!!

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can they please just bring back actual buttons instead of invisible tap points where you can't tell where the fuck they are?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

These days most tvs have the "nipple" navigation which initially seems stupid but is genuinely the most natural navigation system I've ever used

[–] imaqtpie 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No. You'll suffer the invisible tap points because they can advertise that feature and charge more money.

How do you fuck up televisions? It's the simplest thing and these corporations just need to fucking meddle.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Aren't MicroLED displays LCDs?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, you’re thinking of LCDs with miniLED backlighting

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Aha, so they're basically non-OLEDs?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow it's insane how fast technology goes. Feels like yesterday the first LCDs were releasing, but apparently not!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Nothing beats 2000's 2K CRTs.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I'd love to have an OLED tv. I just need a good reason to get one. The tv I have now works just fine (unfortunately).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Let me try to improve it. That thing will be broken in no time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Mine flickers when room temp is above 75 and gets jacked at 78.

The G3 is looking extremely appealing in all dimensions except price.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Same, I have a plasma and it works great, doesn't even know what HD ready means, but displays 1080i.

As long as HD is the max res the TV box gives, I don't see reason for an upgrade. (especially for a luxury item that is mostly background noice/movement)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

That's great, it means LCD TVs have hit maturation point.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am going to skip LCD tvs altogether. Right now I am still using my first hd tv, a Plasma TV from 2008, and when I replace it, it will likely be with an OLED.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

OLED's are just the way to go.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Man I'm still rocking my Samsung plasma TV from 2011. No need to heat the house with the amount that TV gives off but still works great.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Makes sense. I haven’t considered an LCD tv in more than a decade.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Fair enough. LCD is very old technology at this point, dating back to the 1960s.

Of course, LEDs aren't exactly new either, but microscopic LEDs bright enough to be used as pixels certainly are.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I really hope microLED takes off in the near future. It's basically OLED on steroids, all of its advantages without the risk of screen burn-in. It's just too expensive right now...

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