solarpunk memes

Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man.
You take a step toward him. He takes a step back.
Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man.

—A.R. Moxon

This is perfect. The right has gone so far to the right that meeting in the middle is still very much on the right.

In international terms, even the Democrats are right of center.

It's more the idea that everyone counts as people. The further right you go the smaller the group you assign full person status becomes. Liberals are OK with a bit of genocide and/or slavery as long as the victims are sufficiently poor, distant, and profitable.

Not wanting people to die is a normal and sane idea.

People are still who they are but the world we live in has for the last half century significantly shifted to state authotorian and fascist idealogy has flourished in our ego centric rewarding capitalist economy

Political Left in the US aligns with center in Europe. Only adding to the evidence that political labels are arbitrary and subjective.

Fascist attack normalcy and misinformation adds to confusion. You have to believe its us and them, you have to pick a side.

Decent people stay true to what they are, causing the people who are fooled to listen to fascists to now label you a vilified left. You then have the option to confirm to your centrists peers or to stay true to your original ideals.

Currently i am aligned with far left anarchism But i can perceive plenty of context and societal structures where my identical ideas could be perceived as conservative.

Basically.

For example, tens of thousands of people die every year in the US because of inadequate access to health care. Universal payer would be cheaper and result in fewer preventable deaths. Centrists do not support the policy and thus are willing to let people die in order to support the parasitic insurance industry.

The genocide in Gaza, homelessness, prison industrial complex, climate change, etc. all get people killed in preventable ways. But we have to protect the owner class so we're not going to do any of the clear solutions. Letting people die needlessly is an acceptable result.

A big problem of this entire argument, particularly when Americans are making it, is that nobody seems to agree on who the "centrists" and "leftists" are supposed to be.

Turns out social democrats are pretty sure they're leftists, but everybody else self-identifying as a leftist is convinced they are indistinguishable from free market liberals, while free market liberals think they're center left while social democrats are pretty sure they are indistinguishable from neocons.

Unless you're in the US, where apparently social democrats are both far left and communists, the word socialism has about as much meaning as a Rorschard test card and hard left people seem to be a figment of an AI's imagination in that they appear to exist exclusively online.

So yeah, I really don't know what the OP is talking about, honestly.

Some are proud of their ignorance, some seem to think that hating everything means they are intelligent with discerning tastes.

the problem is that people are called centrists because their major opinion is simply "the status quo is fine", which is effectively just being a conservative but without the active outspoken racism.

The centre party here in sweden meanwhile actively promotes LGBT rights and obvious things like that, they actually have opinions on both sides of the spectrum and a vision for the future, and that vision is one that you might not consider optimal but it's not obviously fucking evil.

Centrists are seen as fence sitters because they are ok with the horrible things the system has baked into it, as they are comfortable enough to refuse to take a hard stance against it. Right wingers are people who actively destroy things.

In general maybe not, in these lemmy spaces absolutely.

They often are, because they often are effectively supporting similar policies. I think MLK wrote about this quite well in Letter from a Birmingham Jail. If you haven't read that, it's well worth the 20 minutes.

On a more specific note, many centrist Democrats are actually corporate Democrats, and they're supporting many laws that Republican politicians are also supporting, laws that benefit big businesses at the expense of everyone else in the world.

There are people in this thread who think being centrist means you're ok with a little genocide. What do you even say to that?

Leftists/progressives say "the reason for all of that is the oligarchy hoarding all the resources, so we need to start with stopping them from doing that"

Liberals kinda want the same things as progressives, but they don't want to "hurt " the rich to get it. But of course if 5 people are hoarding literally everything the only way to get more for everyone is to take it from those 5 people. Liberals just can't get themselves to take that next step.

(This is US liberal btw, might be different in Europe)

If it's not ideological, why is it always the conservatives in Canada and the UK trying to dismantle public healthcare? Come the fuck on.