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[–] [email protected] 87 points 3 months ago (2 children)

My Windows 10 install shat the bed so I'm trying Linux Mint again.

It's crazy how a computer can feel brand new again when 50 different pieces of bloatware aren't trying to all start on boot.

The gaming situation is so much different now with Steam Play and Proton. Although I've found that just because a game is Steam Deck Verified, it doesn't necessarily mean it'll work the first try.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I installed PopOS last year after I got fed up with bloatware, adds, and just outright annoying β€œnotifications” in windows 10 and 11, and I haven’t looked back.

I found a great resource in the ProtonDB website for configuring proton settings as I have also occasionally had games not work properly that are steam deck verified. There are typically enough people posting how they overcame issues and their build components so you can try to match up their fixes with your computer parts. It helps a ton most of the time.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Yeah ProtonDB is great but it doesn't always have a fix.

For example, Powerwash Simulator is Steam Deck Verified and has a Platinum rating and most people are like "runs great out of the box, no problems".

However, when I tried it, the screen would blank every second until I managed to put the game into windowed mode, and then the lower portion of it was concealed behind the app panel.

This was on a fresh Linux Mint 22 install with the latest proprietary Nvidia drivers.

Also, you can't install most games until you enable "Steam Play on all titles" which I had to figure out myself.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Didn't realize how big it was in India, 16.21%!

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Kerala have a big contribution to this since all the school IT labs + government offices here use ubuntu or its slightly modified versions. Wish if every state did so.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Everything I hear from India is generally pretty negative news with the exception of basically anytime Kerala is mentioned.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Yup, we don’t need big corporations for nada.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

In Norway it's 29.1%

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago (7 children)

I honestly don't know how to think about this. On one hand, it's pretty cool that more and more users are giving the finger to Microsoft and switch to Linux.

On the other hand, Linux systems are gonna become a bigger target for cyberattacks or malware. I realise that I, as a regular person who isn't on dodgy porn sites all day, probably have nothing to fear but still, I like my Linux lightweight and if they have to slap some antivirus on there.... eh idk

[–] [email protected] 52 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Don't fret! 95+% all servers on the internet run Linux so the attack vector has been there for ages. Follow best practices and your risk will remain low!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

Unfortunately there's a lot more to it than that.

You're right that the "back end" of Linux systems tend to be quite hardened.

It's the desktop environments that are a concern when it comes to security hardening, IMO. Almost all servers have no DE installed so it's not something enterprise has cared about.

How much effort has been put into security on DEs? I honestly have no idea, but so far there hasn't been an enormous pressure to security harden them.

Shit, look at:

  • X11. It's insecure by design, yet most distros still ship with it (understandably, since Wayland isn't 100% yet).

  • packaged software runs as root during the whole installation period - this means that anything slipped into the install script will have full root privileges to do anything to your system. Flatpak does fix this, but normally-packaged software is still abundant.

  • any non-root program can change aliases in your bashrc or bash_aliases file. I.e. they can change "apt install" to some other nefarious command, or to point to a dodgy software repository, so that next time the user types "sudo apt install [XYZ]", it downloads malware or does other nasty things.

I'm absolutely clueless about this stuff and I can come up with those potential attack vectors in seconds. Imagine what a proficient hacker could do, or a hostile nation-state.

I definitely think improvements will have to be made in terms of security, and we're no doubt going to hear more about malware in the coming years. But it's not an insurmountable problem, IMO. Distros and DEs will just take time to adapt.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The best protection against malware is closing the security flaws they typically abuse to make them work in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

The biggest security flaw though is typically the human itself.

... how do you close that hole?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (9 children)

100% there will be more malware and scams as Linux grows. In fact, it's happening already.

Just look at there being multiple instances of cryptowallet theft on Ubuntu's app store by devs uploading fake copies of crypto wallet managers.

And that's before we even get onto DEs – and much of the desktop Linux stack in general – generally not being designed with security in mind, as it's not been something they've had to worry about.

We will see more malware, more scams. We will see glaring security problems that were allowed to stay in place for years be exploited. We will see infighting in the Linux community over all of this stuff.

It is the price we must pay for being an increasingly relevant platform.

With any luck, more users will mean more contributors, more financial support for devs, and of course better security as a result of that - you only need to look at how much KDE Plasma has improved with support from Valve, and how much work Gnome has been getting done after Germany's "Sovereign Tech Fund" contribution to see that even a little bit of support can go a long way.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago
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[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago

*insert Simpsons meme"

Say it again!

sigh 2024 is the year of the Linux desktop

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We making to the 5% with this one!!! πŸ—£οΈπŸ’―πŸ™πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯

[–] skulblaka 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm doing my part!

No really, I installed Mint on my home machine less than a week ago. Trying to get my buddy to switch too before Win11 comes knocking.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Tell him a stranger from the web says he should switch

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (3 children)

What is unknown? Various Unix variants? Custom embedded operating systems ( does that count as desktop?)?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

maybe browsers that obfuscate that information

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Me, changing my user agent to "Browser McBrowserFace"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

I know this is probably a joke, but don't do that. It gives you a unique fingerprint.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

So I've looked into the yearly stats and macOS stats and the fact that they call it OS X and the macOS version stats only go up to Catalina (the last 10.x, released in 2019) makes me believe most of these are macOS 11+ users.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago

Look out, "Unknown" we're coming for you!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

Yeah, hopefully government and EU interest in open source will change this on a large scale.

Both Germany and Switzerland both made progress in the last months.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Except Norway with 29.1%. What gives?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I was checking out regional market shares and it seems Linux has a 29.1% market share in Norway. Anybody knows why? Linux is almost twice as big as OSX there.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago

Penguins are comfy in the cold climate

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So in theory, one third of everyone I meet should be a linux user. Yet everyone uses windows. πŸ€” Am I the 30%?? /sw

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Right? It seems fishy to me, that's why I asked. Would love to know the reason for this.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

Well, lately Microsoft has hitting big on enshittification. More than usual.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I love the idea of using Linux. But then I end up playing Warzone every weekend with my family. Can't give that up. The best part is that they want kernel access, and still have cheating problems, apparently. (Must be higher than my level!) But it still inherently affects me, as they won't port to Linux.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Kernel level anticheat still can't stop cheaters? Time for boot partition anticheat, let it run before the kernel ;)

Hell, layer the whole OS on top of anticheat software just to play one game.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Warzone Entertainment System, running the latest WarOS!

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Im at a similar place as you where I do as much gaming on linux as possible but then there are some games that just do not work :(. At this point Im really thinking about playing warzone on a console since there is support for keyboard and mouse (last time I checked).

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They label it as OS X and macOS on different parts of the page.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What is the difference between these two terms?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Oh, it use to be Mac OS. Then it was Mac OS X (Mac OS Ten). Now it’s macOS.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

How much of the unknown portion is linux?

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