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I was just banned for a comment that was critical of kamala Harris, critical of Hamas, pro Palestinian civilians who are suffering genocide from the Israeli government
"Rule 1" and I didn't even use a slur or anything.
Quotes incoming, have to copy paste
Lemmy.ml mods are out of their damn minds
I got upset about some .ml moderation action and posted a similar post. At this point, I wouldn’t even give it a second thought; just ignore the instance completely.
If you bring a raccoon in the house, and it shits on the carpet and eats all your donuts, that’s on you, because it’s a raccoon and you involved yourself with it. I look at Lemmy.ml communities mostly the same way.
Yeah totally. I just instance blocked it to avoid stumbling in again.
Moreover I'm not missing ml I browse all and sometimes would find myself in a thread.
I more wanted to hear from non ml types if the opinion that "Hamas is a terrorist org and Palestine is a community of civilians experiencing genocide" was somehow bigoted
Some instance owners have blocked ml and there are are occasional discussions of broader action.
I haven't fully blocked it yet as there are some neutral communities that are still fun. Anything related to news or politics is on my blocklist, for sure.
Yes I lost those neutrals lol. Oh well, I just hate having a modlog implying I used a racial slur (if someone happens to be familiar with the instance rules), when I didn't.
Insert my original "shrug" emoji here. It's not a big deal and finding one log with one mods opinion isn't what I would consider a trend.
It's ml. I was banned from a few communities for calling Putin the new Hitler and I still have no idea what their problem was.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Do you think my comment is bigoted? Checking myself here.
By definition, yes*. In reality, it fits a larger consensus and I personally don't think it's a big deal.
At the end of the day, mods do what they want. On ml specifically, they tend to have their own distinct narratives they follow and may kick-ban any dissent.
Posting on some ml communities can be interesting if you aren't up-to-date with the meta.
* You could be unreasonably attached to a belief from the viewpoints of others. It's subjective.
Can you clarify?
I'm guessing suggesting hamas is a terrorist organization is the thing? Is it a false statement?
My understanding is they use violence and intimidation to further political goals, but are they themselves not a standing state with a military.
I think I made my position clear that I do not support Israel, as they are committing genocide, but I guess someone could assume Hamas IS Palestine? It's my understanding that's not the case, instead that they are IN Palestine among the innocent civilians.
(Not arguing with you, just discussing. If you have counterpoints I'm ready to hear them)
I get what you are asking and I am going to avoid the specific topic you were discussing (as much as I can) in the interest of objectivity.
ml tends to be a safe-space for some people who have wildly different opinions than what "many people" tend to believe is true. It automatically sets up a comment that would be "normal" on this instance as "hostile" on another.
Some countries do have diplomatic ties with Hamas and do not consider them a terrorist organization. If I had to guess, that is the reason for the underlying issue. If a person happens to relate with that viewpoint, any comment to the contrary may be considered hostile.
This sounds trite, but the phrase "Read the room" might apply.
Totally. The mod in particular is pretty aggressive so I'm not surprised really. I figured I covered myself by pointing out Israel is indeed commiting genocide but alas.
Have a good one.
Wear it like badge of honour. Don't play with tankies you'll never win that game.
I agree with the "settle down" commenter, you come across as uncomfortably aggressive in your comment.
Think about blockingl .ml, they thrive on agitating community members and do not follow their own mod rules.
I guess that's just a general way to talk about a us politician missing the mark, then my own assessment of the better distinction. (Kamala called the entire protest a pro "Hamas" protest rather than a pro "Palestine" protest. Which sucks)
Rule 1 is about racial slurs, so really I'm posting to check if I used one.
Seems I didn't but there's dissent about weather Hamas is a terrorist org. Certainly not a racial slur on my part, but perhaps not aligned with the mod sentiment.
Edit compared to most comments there, and on Lemmy, my comment isn't especially heated.
Edit edit anyways thanks for the reply.
I figured a passionate "fuck the message about the protest, enunciate the important difference between the groups in play" was worthing of being direct and energetic. Y'all see it as too much and that's a good reply.
"Kamala called the entire protest a pro "Hamas" protest rather than a pro "Palestine" protest'
That's fucked.
"Rule 1 is about racial slurs, so really I'm posting to check if I used one"
You didn't, but the mods don't care about their rules over there(even more than on other instances). If they don't personally like it and they see it on their alts, ya banned.
I get plenty heated too, I get it, but in .ml it's like they're deliberately stoking the fires, posting misinformation, and don't care or are happy to see what burns.
Dumpster fire.
Not sure if the post text is showing up. What do y'all think? They say rule one but I don't think I broke that.
Not that I'm heartbroken for the exchange, it's just I now have this big crater in my modlog making it look like I'm a spammer or something.
Settle down, okay?
? The comment was on topic for the post, which was about Kamala not supporting Palestinian protestors.