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Personally, I want nothing to do with them and I'm not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I moved to the Fediverse to get away from all these corpos.

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Judging from their past and all the bad actions they have done in the past, bad for democracy, privacy, minorities and marginalised people and how openly they have a far/extreme-right bias. Well I feel extremely negative about them joining in. They were also part of destruction of another open/federated protocol in the past: they played big part in destroying XMPP/Jabber messaging. So I am afraid they will do their usual embrace, extend, and extinguish thing and their surveillance capitalist thing and yeah. no good. Best to block their instances outright.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Yeah, I was thinking of Jabber as well, when I heard this. For a brief period everything was perfect. Facebook and Google were both using Jabber. And even WhatsApp was using it, I think. So if you had an account somewhere you could actually chat with all your friends, totally unimpeded.

EU should hurry up with their federation laws.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

EU should hurry up with their federation laws.

What do you mean?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Holy shit! Had no idea! Thanks, mate.
Common EU W

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The EU really are the protectors of the free and open internet. Given the Republicans would kill any attempts to pass any regulations here in the States, we're basically reliant on the EU to save us. So thanks, guys :)

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I was going to say, while we can't do much about them adopting an open protocol, please defederate with them

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Ack. I just said almost the same thing before I read your comment.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even if they were somehow not evil, the sheer volume would technologically destroy any instance that tried to federate with them.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They are free to set up an instance. Not sure who would federate with them.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

They see the fediverse trend gain9ng steam with the rise of Mastodon and go "Oh sheit we need to be on that for $$$". Proceed to embrace, extend, enshittify, and extinguish. Its nothing but Zuckerberg's gasping breaths to try and stay relevant as his company begins the very slow, but inevitable, backslide into technological irrelevance.

I will be leaving and/or blocking any instance that chooses to federate with anything related to Meta. They are antithetical to the entire foundation of the metaverse and they ruin everything they touch.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A federated reddit clone named threads.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Sounds like it is going to be more of a Twitter clone unless I read a shit article. It also sounds like they might not federate with mastodon or other instances to keep everyone in their meta ecosystem.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

'What a lovely Nope you have going on there.'

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Give meta the boot

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

🚨 DANGER! 🚨

…That about sums up my feelings on this subject.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm trying to get away from Facebook and meta. I'd rather they weren't remotely near me at all

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

I'd reaaally rather not have that happen.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

To me it sounds like they are trying to Embrace, Extend, Extinguish the fediverse. I wouldn't doubt if at first they adopted it with all the standards then started doing proprietary crap

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I guess I'll just go back to reading books and watching movies full time.

Fuck all of those tech giants.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They will datamine all federated users They will set up a CDN for uploads on their platform that will track you like v.meta.com or i.meta.com.

They will probably train LLMs off the data. They will sell the data to advertisers or data brokers. They will most likely have ads or pay to boost.

They will diverge from the standard once they have the majority of users like google does with chrome and the web.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Block them or I’m gone

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's the old Microsoft strategy again - Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

They deserve a good boot up the arse before they put one up our's.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Just block them from federating and move on.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

fuck that noise, absolutely do not federate with them

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Fuuuuuck no! This isn't actually happening right? This is just an idea I hope?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

God fucking damn it. I wanted to get away from them.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (10 children)
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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

It's an easy fix. If an instance you're a part of federates with them then just move to a new instance.

Hopefully this will put instance blocking on the top of the list.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

we shouldnt let them in. they would have done decentralized service years ago if there was money in it for them. They either want us to stop or try to seize control in only way that can -> by worming in.

We must have zero-tolerance for corporations or we might as well just give up.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Meta is developing a twitter like app called Threads which will implement ActivityPub.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Nope. Just nope. It'll be the death of the Fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

News story I looked up. Fuck Meta and all the other money-sucking bastards that want to commodify every breath I take.

https://fediversereport.com/meta-plans-on-joining-the-fediverse-the-responses/

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

In general, it's great when companies embrace standards and open source. Though in the case of Microsoft, they just did it to gain the market share (embrace, extend, extinguish).

I'm under no illusion that they would be doing it out of the kindness of their hearts or desire to be compliant with standards.

But..i also don't think I can criticize them yet for wanting to do so.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Corporations already joined the federated internet when they adopted the web.

Even if they wanted to, they can't take over the entire fediverse, that's the point.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I have to say, i don't like it, i mean i got here, because i didn't want to have anything to do anymore with them, but i guess if we are careful enough, they probably can't do to much to destroy our current fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

It's hard for me to see anything good coming from this.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Lmao want nothing to do with them. One of the reasons I’m here is to escape these dogshit corpos

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If Facebook behave and their instances have good moderation, they'll be successful. If they don't, they'll get defederated and turn into some niche twitter clone echo chamber like Truth Social.

Facebook is a company with great open-source tech contributions (React, GraphQL) but absolutely awful products (Literally every social media thing they've got their hands on), which is why they are desperately trying to turn their side project Oculus into their main product. And I think they, as the original "The Social Network" company, see the writing on the wall: that they either embrace federation and decentralization, or get swept away by it into the footnote of social media history.

Now, I don't think Facebook wants to JUST run an instance where they get to control everything. I think the most likely scenario is that Facebook will offer easy managed federated instance setup hosted on their own cloud servers for less tech inclined individuals and companies in the future, and they'll rebrand it as "the actual metaverse", which will finally end their tenure as an advertising company.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I say we just don't allow them on most kbin/lemmy instances. Let the people decide what info is bullshit or not.

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