Here's a link to the actual article.
The article goes hard on what's lost working from home, but doesn't even touch the myriad benefits of working from home. Very much a one-sided, non-nuanced, pro-middle-management, bullshit article.
this post was submitted on 04 Aug 2023
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Hybrid working appears to be the most successful option for most industries.
Source? I work fully remote, and I produce at three times the level I did pre-pandemic when I was in-person.
I can't think of any reason my specific job would require any in-person element outside occasional team building.
Using a Forbes article to support your argument when we're already arguing over a different Forbes article feels like it might be a biased source
Hmm, I don't agree. Let me find a forbes article that proves what I mean.
Don't bother reading Forbes.
They're directly invested in maintaining the status quo.
Employers should pay for travelled hours and cost. Then we’ll see if coming tot he office is worth those extra two hours per day of pay with no work.
Rather than be infuriated, block the site that wrote such a nonsense. Consider writing a relevant email first, where you explain your position and ask friends to join you in your boycott.
The world is like it is, because we forgot that there are consequences to our actions and claims.
As usual, I blame exTwitter and Facebook.
I think the huge misconception is that jobs that require specific tasks that don't fit well in WFH means the entire job doesn't fit. Collaborative tasks many times require in office interactions and whiteboarding. But I'd be willing to bet that out of a given week that isn't your entire 40 hours.
Honestly I think a lot of this push is that we are finding manager roles are unnecessary. With collaboration more difficult it has become more effective to go right to the source rather than the trickle down method we used to use.
Productivity at home really depends on a lot of factors. Industries that require a lot of collaboration suffer greatly in telework situations. Training also suffers greatly. About 20% of the general workforce enjoy telework (large majority of the tech industry) while most prefer the social climate of an office.
I can attest that I prefer an office to my home. I built my home around comfort and joy. I hated working from it. It felt like work was invading my personal life.
I hated working from home, it's not for me. As soon as I could I went back to the office and I've turned down jobs that require too much WFH.
However, I do work with a lot of WFH people. My only "complaint" about their "productivity" is to please, for the love of God, have them working the same timezone hours as the area they are servicing if their job is time sensetive. If I need to get ahold of someone anytime something goes wrong with a hauler cause you're the only one with access to the system then don't have your work day be hours off from typical trucking hours in my location! Looking at you logistics...
Same. Of course it depends on the job, doing 4 in office and .5-1 at home could work but I already have a hard enough time trying to forget about work and not let it stress me out at home when they're separate.
Plus I go a bit stir crazy being at home all the time.
But if someone wants it and it's possible then why not?
I thrive in working from home environments. I put headphones on which makes me feel "locked in" to my work. I never had that benefit at work where people would constantly be asking me irrelevant questions or just striking up conversation.
I also would be in a very, very sour mood and tired because traveling to work ruined my personality before I even get there, plus I would end up stealing hours from sleep to make up for the loss, which would make me exhausted.
All in all, the ability to work from home is a natural progression of the benefits technology provides. It is foolish to push back against it. The benefits are so obvious.
Most people enjoy the social climate of an office? what??
I worked fully remote during the pandemic and a year after in a IT team leader position and let me tell you, we did things / delivered quality stuff on those 3 years that we wouldn't be able to do if we had to go to the office.
From my perspective working from from home as a software developer has been a major productivity booster. It's a load of sh1t to make sweeping statements like this article. There is no right or wrong answer. It's individual and role dependant and so should should be assessed as such.
Maybe it depends by the kind of people. When i worked from home for the COVID, I was extremely non-productive. I played on steam 12 hours a day, then quickly finished my tasks in 30 minutes
For me, it does not work, unfortunately because i am easily distracted and in an office full of people i am less likely to fell in a 4 hours rabbit hole after a reddit post
then quickly finished my tasks in 30 minutes
So you were just as productive (completed the same work)
I played on steam 12 hours a daY
But you had more free time to enjoy your life.
This means you were more productive working from home than working in an office.
Glad I wasn't the only one scratching my head at that. The guy finished all his work and then called himself unproductive. How brainwashed is that?
did not do the exact same work, did a rushed half-assed version of it
I'm super unproductive in the office and basically glued to the coffee machine. I'm easily able to double my productivity on a good day. Some days are bad, sure. But that happens at the office as well.
That was always an issue I ran into. In a given month I might have two of three days that my brain just didn't work. I'd stills go into the office and be absolutely unproductive. But to my boss, being in the office was the important thing. As I only got ten days of PTO a year including medical leave and business holidays I was never going to waste it on a mental health day. Was far better to sit at my desk and pretend like I was productive.
Hope your are better now. Or at home, chilling on those days 💖
Back then I was doing work that required way more brain power than now and had extremely more ridiculous schedules than now. And I'm WFH on a team that has no desire to go back to the office.
Me too. We're spread out over the whole country and even further.
then quickly finished my tasks in 30 minutes
Sounds hella productive to me. For your job, it doesn't matter whether it takes 8 hours or 30 minutes as long as all assigned tasks are done at the end of the day. For your personal wellbeing, private situation and overall productivity, being done in 30 minutes matters greatly as you now have 7.5 more hours to yourself while being just as productive as before.
I'm with you. Adults with ADHD really should not work from home. I mean, I LOVE my work from home days, but pretty much because it's just a day off but with answering work emails and calls.
Personally I'm the opposite. I only have so much control over my environment in the office, but at home I'm able to build an environment that's way more productive for my brain. I'll still go into the office as required (usually about a day every week or two) but I literally have to plan my workload around those days since I know I'll be way less productive.
Yeah. I probably would do much better if I had to consistently work from home. For me it's usually just surprise maintenance issues.
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