I don't really care what IGN thinks about anything, but there's good chance this movie will be entertaining as fuck
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Anything with deadpool is entertaining, prove me wrong.
Headlines like this make me think that it’s going to do no such thing
It's gonna reignite my gay lust for Huge Jackedman and Ryan "Sexiest Man Alive" Reynolds
It can't. It will be successful because it's Deadpool and Wolverine. It can kick off the X-Men portion. But it cannot reignite the MCU unless it gives a new villain for everyone to definitively latch on to.
I can't imagine Deadpool & Wolverine convincing people to watch the next 3 movies, Captain America, Thunderbolts, and Fantastic Four. But I can absolutely see a successful Captain America getting people to watch Thunderbolts and a string of good movies getting people to watch Fantastic Four.
As a huge Thunderbolts fan, I'm terribly confident they're going to fuck up Thunderbolts on the big screen.
I was worried when they said the initial script was essentially a Yelena movie. I just don't want them to mess up John Walker. He was SO GOOD in FatWS. And it would have been so easy to have made him a joke or a 1-dimensional villain.
I've got my fingers crossed that they're not that careless with him. His fantastic performance made him an obvious addition to the Thunderbolts lineup.
I'm concerned that none of the characters leaked so far are just straight up simple selfish bank robbers.
I'm fine with the later secret agent and dimension hopping stuff. But the heart of the Thunderbolts is supposed to be people who got a bad deal from life deciding who they're going to be when life finally gives then a break (and then takes it away again). I don't think that story works as a spy thriller - not for the first introduction, anyway.
Either way, I'll probably check it out to see what they do with John Walker and Yelena. I'm just concerned that they're going to waste the "Thunderbolts" name on it, and not be able to do the other stuff later.
I haven't been keeping up, what Thunderbolts run did they base the new movie on?
I haven't been keeping up, what Thunderbolts run did they base the new movie on?
None of them, as far as I can tell. It wouldn't bother me, except that we haven't seen Screaming Mimi or Songbird in the MCU yet, and I'm concerned they've decided not to include her because her powers are expensive to CGI.
I'm worried that there's not many Thunderbolts stories that work without Songbird.
It would make sense to try to fit Yelena into that role, but I'm not sure that will resonate the same way. Screaming Mimi wasn't a villain due to a global secret conspiracy. She just liked money.
new villain for everyone to definitively latch on to.
The bummer is that Kang was that villain. Loki season 1 set up a perfect villain. Quantumania wasted him. And Loki season 2 resolved Kang.
I expect part of the issue is the actor himself, so I understand downplaying the character, but I really wish they had recast.
As an R rated film I doubt we'll get a permanent big bad here, but I hope so.
This. Cant bring it back unless its a complete slate wipe. Even then, they'd need to revolutionize the formula.
The new villain is Cassandra Nova.
She's the villain of this movie, she's definitely not Thanos or Kang level villain. And there are suspicion that even in this movie she's a fake out and there will be another villain replacing her. Either it's Doom and this movie starts him up like Avengers 1 did Thanos, or it's someone else and it won't be a Thanos level villain either.
If this can't, then nothing can.
Problem is, MCU being MCU they'll try to replicate it with different characters and it'll be a hot, embarrassing mess.
I don't think they can fuck up anything with Ryan in it anymore. He's tasted failure once already, and now has too much clout to be in something truly bad. But Marvel will try with something else.
The secret to Deadpool, in the movies anyway, is that he kills people. I mean, next to Iron Man and his snap, Deadpool is pretty generous in doling out death in a way no other film MCU "Hero" can get away with. I just don't think Marvel will be successful in replicating that, or the one-liners, the irreverence. But they'll try. And fail.
Even if his meta sarcasm grates on you, it's still witty, nonsensical, yet violent enough to have mass appeal.
House/Powers of X could, if they have the nerve to present it un-modified.
House of X is a utopian and distopian take on black rights, trans rights, lgbtq rights and solidarity with the rest of us, in the face of asshole *isms, systemic oppression, and AI taking all of our jobs.
If Marvel doesn't pull any punches, they're sitting on a gold mine. The next X-Men film set could be a popoular rallying cry for a generation who are tired of watching loud rich assholes steer all public political discourse.
A few of Magneto's kills, alone, would be worth the price of the theater ticket, for the catharsis. Storm's big scene based on the reality that AI are prejudiced toward misunderstanding African American women would kick ass. Cyclops being a powerful destructive ass toward people who richly deserve it. Colosus and Wolverine reminding us how to negotiate with fascists... Emma Frost choosing mercy and also not choosing mercy. There's some great stuff, that could be movie magic.
I'm holding my Marvel Unlimited subscription close to my heart right now, because I might be a chicken shit ally a lot of the time, but at least I can vote with my wallet.
I don't think Disney will allow it, but I hold out faint hope that the meddler in chief in charge of the next few X-Men films might be (or choose to appear to be) too stupid to notice the real undertones.
Alternative headline: "We’ve Seen 35 Minutes of Deadpool & Wolverine… and we want to be invited back"
Definitely more accurate.
As a long time Wolverine fan who saw X-Men (2000) on day one and got sick of superhero movies like a decade ago, no it won't.
We'll see it, and we may love it, but we'll still think that you ruined comic books and comic book movies with the overproduction of generic content.
Doubt
Maybe if the mcu transitions to anthology style showings instead of saga based story telling. People are tired with grand narratives that require you to have watched like 20 other movies to understand everything going on reliably.
If Deadpool shows up in a Spidey movie, there's enough cultural saturation for the Audience to just get that it's Deadpool, skip the lore baiting and get to the Merc With the Mouth crossing wits with the Quip Thwipper. We're not here for the chapter of a greek epic, we're here to see a fun superhero movie! DC is making noises like they've begun to sniff this idea out.
A few screenshots
Deadpool of Wales
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