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cross-posted from: https://programming.dev/post/16595505

  • Home routing and encryption technologies are making lawful interception harder for Europol
  • PET-enabled home routing allows for secure communication, hindering law enforcement's ability to intercept and monitor communications
  • Europol suggests solutions such as disabling PET technologies and implementing cross-border interception standards to address the issue.
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[–] [email protected] 139 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"The issue" that needs addressing is the obsession our governments have with spying on us.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What confuses me is that we, the people, have the upper hand according to democracy. So no classified information should exist within the people for democracy to function propperly.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Except that their are so many people that have no idea how the internet or such technologies work. And happily hand over their private lives cause "nothing to hide" BS.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

Also brainwashing. People get their ideas from other people. Some through books, some through those they call experts but we‘re very easily influenced. Getting blasted with biased shows and commercials that show us how „fair“ law enforcement is makes people easy targets for pushing dangerous laws.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Whoa, take it easy there. You wouldn't want to awaken John Lock

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I really didnt think much when I sent this. I should remember next time so that I don't become the next target of the NSA

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"lawful interception" is a fallacy.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

If it's written in the law, it's lawful. You can of course (and should!) debate about the morality of the diverse forms of lawful interception, but a blanket statement like '"lawful interception" is a fallacy', is a fallacy in of itself.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

What is more terrifying is when a elected leader argues against mass surveillance and then is shunned by the intelligence agency and their allies

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Laws do not, did not ever, guarantee interception. It always allowed the police to try to intercept. The police hid bugs, tapped wires. Never in history the police said "for lawful interception to happen, all phones must come with preinstalled wiretap. The implication that "communications systems are too secure, there has to be a backdoor for lawful interception" is a fallacy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

The fallacy is imagining that “lawfulness” is an attribute that can be reliably detected on an implementation level.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

as a neteng for 20+ years, what the hell is "home routing"

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago (1 children)

its routing without the Pro license.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

does it come with bgp though

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's basically when you drag an Ethernet cable behind you wherever you go, with the other end still plugged into your home switch.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

So that's what those massive 1000 foot Ethernet cables are for!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My understanding after reading the article is: while roaming your phone sets up a VPN type thing with your phone provider, and routes calls and data through this tunnel, so now Europol has to deal with another country if they want to track you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I am in dire need of such solution just because I moved with Europe but don't want to let go my old number, fortunately I visit one 6 months but what if I pass the deadline?
Besides Google won't let me use my Balance unless I have that specific counties card in phone and it's active... If you know how to do it let me know.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

It's a process of telling houses where to go. Why do you think homes never get lost?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Home routing is when you connect a cable to your PC and the wall. Your home then uses that connection to join the Dark Web, and you allow hackers to stay at your home temporarily to escape the government. Those hackers jump from house to house, evading the authorities.

(/s)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

😂. "Oh you wanna go to the internet? Sure, let me NAT and route you to my gateway. "

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

Oh, so, keep doing it? Even harder? Gotcha.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Endemic end-to-end encryption just means that everyone is now protected from interception.

I’ve been using PGP and friends since the 90s. Most people who LE should be targeting for investigation have likewise been using strong encryption since the 90s.

Most cases get a break due to the failure of opsec or due to chance or standard gruelling detective work and the fact that people are social animals.

So what exactly is Europol arguing here?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

They probably want to bust people in bulk

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

PET-enabled home routing

Oh, apparently it's a "5G" thing. Perhaps everyone in Europe knows that already. Apparently the design of the new network is complicated enough that they've accidentally left room for just a little bit of user privacy. Europol claims to have become dependent on the situation where people using mobile phones have none at all.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

I wonder if the reason the headline has to specify "lawful" has anything to do with it 🤔

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

We're back to "privacy is a good thing even if it enables 'criminals'"? Yesterday there was rather a lot of negativity towards GNU Taler and other means of transferring money privately because it enabled tax evasion and such.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

That's the point. They totally missed the main idea here

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

I get that that's bad and that shouldn't be.

But there just have been too many cases of unlawful interception (NSA and Criminal). So I personally don't think we should move back away from encryption