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[–] [email protected] 128 points 4 months ago (18 children)

Just tried it out with my proton account. Looks great! It's very simple, but I also like that about it. And of course being private is wonderful.

[–] not_so_handsome_jack 76 points 4 months ago

Simplicity is an underrated feature. I'm really excited to see this come out because I'm becoming a bigger fan of proton every day.

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 4 months ago (38 children)

ooooh I love this. Proton is just winning constantly these days.

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 4 months ago (16 children)

Damn. Proton is doing a good job of stacking up W's these days.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The only open source mentioned in the post is their encryption. Not the document editing software. OP please remove your change to the article title, it's extremely misleading.

[–] BlueMagma 56 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Open source ? Does that mean I can host my own ? Would it be compatible with other self hosted instance ?

EDIT: the only source code I found hasn't been maintained for 3 years.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I like how there seems to be more and more alternatives to MS Office, even from big companies like Google. Best case scenario, this could lead to companies actually starting to use an open format, like ODF, so that all these different office applications can be used without causing issues in the file and that would pave the way for open source alternatives, like LibreOffice or OnlyOffice, to become viable alternatives for a lot more people and companies. Do Google Docs and Proton Drive use/support ODF? I'm pretty sure MS Office supports it.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 months ago (12 children)

I wish msoffice would just die a miserable death

Word is a pain in the ass. Resize a table column by 1px and the rest of the document gets absolutely fucked

Excel suffers from similarly frustrating UI issues, but my main problem with it is that it's being used for things that it was never intended to be used for. On the extreme side, a company will shove all their HR info into one xlsx file and then someone will accidentally, somehow unrecoverably, delete it

More commonly, I've had to use it as a progress tracking/ticketing tool. An entire team adding rows, deleting rows, accidentally clearing formulas, highlighting random fucking cells, resizing columns etc. all at the same time. It's just hell.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (10 children)

Abusing Excel as a crappy database is a very real and very widespread problem.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Sadly, the lock-in is pretty extreme... as is user inertia. Office 365 has made the problem worse as well, even if you have something like OnlyOffice that does a good job of compatibility with Office, it can't sync with OneDrive.

If you collaborate with non-technical people, they will expect you to work in Office formats, and won't even entertain discussion of any alternative.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Proton at this very moment

I CANT STOP WINNING!

[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 months ago (4 children)

When I was degoogling a couple years ago I had a heck of a time choosing between protonmail and fastmail.

I went with the fastmail and, while I have no complaints, I'm starting to glance at greener grass.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 months ago

I love Proton and will advocate for it any chance I get, but I can also see that it might be good to have people like you who don't put all their eggs in one basket

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago (24 children)

Just signed up today for the family plan in my ongoing degoogling process

It's a bit pricey but so far loving it. Specially Proton Pass, coming from bitwarden (which I liked), it's nicer and faster, much faster

[–] [email protected] 49 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Don't put all your eggs in one basket again, that's what makes degoogling such a difficult thing. There's several proton services I intentionally avoid and use alternatives for so I don't have to uproot my entire digital life to leave them if they start being shitty. If you go from using all google services to all proton you're setting yourself up to need the same sort of big migration down the road. 15 years ago google was also an awesome company that kept making incredibly useful things for users just because they could and look at them now.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

My only gripe with Proton Pass so far is that I'm used to Bitwarden's right-click autofill menu and some sites' 2FA codes don't automatically pop up for some reason.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago

Doesn't appear you can do anything of that via the Drive mobile app. Maybe one day they will make that possible.

If they can ever get a spreadsheet application I could fully get away from Google for that kind of thing without losing out on anything I care about.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

wake me when we can use them as a saml provider

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I know there are different use cases for each, but generally do people prefer self hosted nextcloud, proton docs, or libre office?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A lot of people confuse open source with community driven/governed.
If things go awry, you'll be locked-in, married to Proton.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago

How do you mean? You'd just export your data.

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