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[–] [email protected] 164 points 3 months ago (15 children)

Fuck everything that's happening. I have nowhere else to fucking yell. I am so frustrated with the absolute stupidity and proud-ignorance in this world. Fuck!!!!!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Hang on to that aggression. Might need it later.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Like when you're standing amongst some peers in front of a firing squad filled with fascist bootlickers.

(/s... Shit's weird)

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 3 months ago (8 children)

This is what Democrats need. For the younger generations to be the adults in the room. It's been time for it a over a decade ago. They should have been preparing lines of succession during the Obama era.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 3 months ago (22 children)

There will be no 2028 election.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Plenty of dictators still have elections. Well, they call them elections at least.

So I guess it will at least be called an election.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

This is the correct answer. GOP is already trying to capture enough secretary of state positions to ensure they always get 270 electoral votes.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

I doubt Republicans will support this. Really it comes down to if Biden is going to use his newly gained "official" immunity and look like a dictator, or if Trump gets elected who will most definitely use a cover of immunity to target his political foes. Maybe this is Democrats attempt at we tried to be civil, but you gave us no other choice.

However, this doesn't go far enough quick enough to revoke the latest decision by the Supreme Court. What the Supreme Court has done is actually told the Jan. 6 rioters that under a Trump presidency that a dictatorship is permitted. It doesn't matter if they are impeached, replaced or the decision is reversed. Trump will do as he pleases and point to this moment and say "look, they said it was fine and Democrats didn't respect the rule of law."

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago

comes down to [whether] Biden is going to use his newly gained “official” immunity and look like a dictator,

Trends indicate a strong no.

or [whether] Trump gets elected who will most definitely use a cover of immunity to target his political foes

Direct statements strongly indicate yes.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Would it be legal for Biden to assassinate them? Asking for a friend.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Don't ask for permission, ask for forgiveness.

And if you're the president, forgive yourself.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Only if he orders the CIA to do it, it's a personal act if he does it himself

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

He could declare the new Department of No Malarkey, appointment himself Chief DeMalarkier, and then declare a Malarkey Ceasing Spree.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I am Jack's mathematically flawed voting system.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Only in so much as the Supreme Court decides that it is "legal".

So the details are that the Supreme Court left it open to interpretation as to what could be considered an "Official Act". If the Supreme Court decides your murder spree is an "Official Act" you are good to go.

So if the Supreme Court Justices are conservative when Biden goes to trial, then yes, he can be found guilty.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Assassination is a good thought experiment because of this. It is literally up to "someone" to decide if X act was official.

And that someone will more than likely be the Supreme Court for a lot of things.

As much as I hate the political drama, Biden really needs to do something completely ridiculous to show everyone that this ruling isn't sustainable.

He won't though. And this shit will drag on and spiral with no checks.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I bet if you killed everyone on the court and in the legislature and replaced them with your personal sycophants, they would probably agree it was an 'official act'

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

That's basically the entire republican plan. It's all spelled out in Project 2025. Literally replacing the entire government with Trump loyalists, and military tribunals for anyone who cannot be directly fired and replaced. Trump has even said that Mitch McConnell is going to be tried in front of a military tribunal.

As a note here, military tribunal means no due process, and no defense. Just straight to the guilty verdict and death penalty.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Literally anything except getting rid of First Past The Post voting. Meat is back on the menu boys!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Would it be legal for Biden to assassinate them? Asking for a friend.

I realize you're likely being rhetorical, but in case you or any other users are actually curious, the fact of the matter is that criminal acts, including assassination, are not protected by presidential immunity. Here's a breakdown:

Official Acts are things the President does as part of their job, like signing laws, directing the military, and managing foreign policy.

Criminal Acts are illegal activities, and they are not protected by presidential immunity. Assassination is definitely illegal and falls under this category.

The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments guarantee due process of law, meaning that the government cannot deprive anyone of "life, liberty, or property" without fair legal procedures and protections. Additionally, Executive Order 12333, explicitly prohibit the U.S. government from engaging in assassination.

In Nixon v. Fitzgerald (1982): The case granted the President immunity from civil damages for official acts, but clarified that this doesn't apply to everything a President does. Unofficial acts, like crimes, are not protected.

In Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer (1952): The Supreme Court ruled that President Truman's seizure of steel mills was unconstitutional. Even though it was for "official use" and it was for "the good of the country" it was nevertheless deemed not part of his presidential powers and therefore not covered.

Presidential immunity protects certain official actions, but it doesn't cover illegal activities. Assassination would be an unofficial act and is definitely prosecutable.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


While Trump celebrated the ruling, many legal and political analysts sounded the alarm about its implications, with some arguing it places presidents above the law.

Ocasio-Cortez, a Democrat from New York, wrote early Monday afternoon that she would introduce articles of impeachment against the court in a post on X, formerly Twitter.

Congress has the authority to impeach and convict Supreme Court justices, a key check on the judiciary's power.

Only one justice has ever been impeached—Justice Samuel Chase in 1804 after Congress accused him of refusing to dismiss biased jurors and of excluding defense witnesses in two politically sensitive cases.

Even if Democrats were to support impeachment, it would likely face hurdles due to Republicans' narrow control of the House of Representatives.

"Today's Supreme Court decision to grant legal immunity to a former President for crimes using his official power sets a dangerous precedent for the future of our nation," wrote House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries.


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