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[–] [email protected] 102 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

To be clear, the headline refers to yank degrees:

In outdoor tests in Arizona, the textile stayed [...] 16 F (8.9 C) cooler than regular silk, a breathable fabric often used for dresses and shirts.

They didn't really compare it to many materials it seems.

I also don't know why they said 16+ degrees. That was the largest temperature delta they saw, not the least...

Besides, this is only part of the tale:

  • Is it affordable?

  • Is it mass manufacturable?

  • Is it comfortable?

  • Is it durable?

  • Is it washable?

  • Is it crease prone?

  • Can it be easily mixed with other materials, e.g. to make it elasticated?

  • Is it recyclable?

  • Is it dyeable?

  • is it fine for sensitive skin?

  • etc

Sounds cool (heh) though. I'm often too warm.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 months ago (3 children)

yank degrees

We prefer the term freedom units, thank you.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago

I prefer the term Yankee doodlegrees, thank you.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Idk yank units sounds really catchy

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

I’ll yank your units

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I admit I didn't read the article throughly, but surely if it's impossiblely thin it can't exist. I only bring this up because I'm an obnoxious pedant.

[–] lurch 12 points 2 months ago

i just read the title and it sounds like it will freeze people to death

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

I would require a wet T shirt contest to really see and compare.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Same. Guess I won't bother looking into it if it's impossible 🤷‍♀️

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

We can make materials as thin as one atom. It's just very expensive.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Can't you make one atom thin sheets of carbon with a pencil and tape?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Yes, you can, but your sheet will be very small. If you want to make a sheet large enough to make a shirt, things get ridiculously expensive.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Yeah but he was being pedantic over the word "impossibly". If we can make 1 atom thin sheets, then it's not impossible, right?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

"This is thin."

"Impossibly thin!"

"No... I'm pretty sure it's possible considering we are holding it right this very second."

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Made of plastic... Just what we need!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If we can recycle single use plastic into this, then great. Somehow I doubt that’s how it would be made.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

If we can recycle single use plastic into this, then great.

They won't - they'll just use "Recycling!" as a pretext to continue business as usual... which was the whole point of "Recycling!" in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Disagree. Even if we could, from what I understand, large, solid pieces of plastic are better than extremely small, thin, fragile pieces since those are going to turn into microplastics and get everywhere. I'd rather have them in one big chunk.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nighthawkinlight just released a video on a material that accomplishes this that you could make at home.

https://youtu.be/Nqxjfp4Gi0k?si=4rEVK5DjNZCGc1Fi

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

So different thickness materials can actually cool you off just from a heat transfer perspective, completely ignoring the PCM capabilities (I didn’t click your link I’m just assuming it’s his latest vid). https://www.thermal-engineering.org/what-is-critical-thickness-of-insulation-critical-radius-definition/

So wearing a thin tshirt in cold weather for example can actually be colder than wearing no shirt at all. Same in reverse. I’m wondering if this material is doing that rather than being some sort of PCM.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

On top of that, as we experience higher temperatures, many people also crank up their air conditioners—which emit more heat-trapping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

This is not correct. Air conditioning units do not 'emit more [...] greenhouse gases'. Air conditioners use a refrigerant--usually R134a--which does have a high global warming potential (GWP) compared to methane or CO2, but that refrigerant is in a closed loop; it's not going anywhere unless the system is damaged. Most a/c failures aren't from refrigerant leaking out of the system, and the system no longer being able to effectively transfer heat, but from the compressor motor failing. When the compressor fails, in most cases you can evacuate the refrigerant, replace the broken part, and then recharge the system. (The fact that they can be repaired doesn't mean that they usually are repaired. Which is shitty.)

What is true is that a/c units emit heat themselves. An air conditioner moves heat from inside a space to outside of that space; in the process of doing so, the a/c unit itself is creating an additional small amount of heat from the function of the compressor motor, electronics, etc.

Beyond that, most electricity that's used to run a/c systems--and every other electrical device--is produced from burning fossil fuels. So if there's more demand for electricity--such as from a heat dome that has everyone running their a/c full-time--then yes, more CO2 is going to get pumped out into the atmosphere. But if your electricity is coming from sources that are largely emissions-free, like solar, wind, or hydro, then air conditioning is a negligible source of heat.

tl;dr - don't feel bad about using your a/c when heat rises to dangerous levels; agitate at a local, state, and national level for renewable, carbon-neutral ways of generating electricity, and for more efficient use of electricity.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thank you.

I don't think we should feel bad for housing AC. it was created by us to feel comfortable. Just because companies and bitcoin miners and ultron-ass skynet-ass LLM/ML-ass trainers are using stupid amounts of resource doesn't mean the population is the cause. it's the greedy few.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I agree with all of this. At the same time, I think that, in most cases, people should allow their body to adapt to heat, if they are healthy enough to do so. Most people can learn to be comfortable in higher heat than they believe, although some people have medical conditions that will make them more susceptible to heat exhaustion and heat stroke. If you can get by without it, you should. If you're at risk by not using it, don't feel guilty.

(FWIW, my office only has a/c because I have a very, very large printer in here, and it tends to have head strikes and scrap prints out if there's no climate control. But since I'm not printing at the moment, the current temp in here is 82F.)

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A good stop-gap while cities de-car-ify and rebuild green space.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Don't need to decarify to rebuild green spaces.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago

Green space was overwhelmingly removed for car space

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And you don't need to re:build green spaces to decarify. But you probably should.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They'll just build more luxury condos where the roads were.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Which would be great, because it would give people with high incomes places to live, lowering the competition for housing and the rents at the top end. Those people would spend and contribute to the local economy, since they have the money to spend.

This would be a huge win for everyone, as building more housing often is.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Actual degrees or American fantasy units?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago (11 children)

I mean, I get it that Fahrenheit is stupid, but this is an American publication.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Fahrenheit is fine for temperatures that humans can experience in our environment (and expect to survive, at least for a little while...)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

I am mostly weirded out by the position of the zero. In Celsuis, zero is in the point that very visibly impacts the world. In Farenheit? Random winter temperature.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I guess. But having friends from all over the planet, it becomes a pain running conversions just to have a conversation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean if you need to be using precise temperature units just to have a conversation.... Maybe find less particular friends?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Friend: Hey, what’s the temperature? Me: Like 74°F Friend: I don’t understand… Me: Sucks to be you! You require precise temperature units and I follow advice from randos on the internet. See ya! 👋🥴

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Or, just, like,

"Pretty warm but I'm not complaining, you?"

You're the one that brought units into it in your example. Maybe you're the bad friend?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What are examples of “broadband emitter “ fabrics that I can buy? The only links I can find are for this article.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Nighthawk in light shows how to make your own on YouTube. He has lots of videos about stuff like this. Someone else in the comments linked one of his vids.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

https://www.walmart.com/ip/862670990

In all serious though I don’t think that term has ever been used outside of articles for this research

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Dang it. Because something keeps me a couple of degrees cooler than some-wicking-fabric would be nice

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

It’s going to need to be like 40F cooler pretty soon here.

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