It's fine. The added security is huge
The problem is when they want you to install their TOTP app in order to authenticate (I'm looking at you, steam... fuck off)
this post was submitted on 05 Jun 2024
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I think I'd still prefer to use a 3rd-Party TOTP app but at least Steam's app adds some value by pushing a notification when you login.
Steam is okay in my book because steam was the OG 2FA provider. They forced 2FA on everyone, all the way back in 2007, they took security seriously before anyone else really cared. So, they're grandfathered in.
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Exactly. At the end of the day there’s nothing being transmitted with OTP and using a standard app isn’t an issue.
If you're rooted, Aegis can import the seed from the Steam app then you don't need it anymore.
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Or like eBay
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SMS is the least secure form of 2FA, and sim swaps are a very real thing. Whatever you're issues with 2FA apps are, I can 100% say that you should be more concerned about actors getting access to your account.
And this isn't just GitHub. You should be using a 2FA app for allllll of your services. Breaches are a daily thing, your passwords are online and are available. 2FA may be the only thing defending you right now, and SMS 2fa or email 2fa I wouldn't trust.
Totally agree! 2FA on all the accounts that support it avoiding SMS. And different passwords (complex, auto generated by a password manager) for each single account. I may be paranoid, but I also use a different email alias (SimpleLogin) for every single account! 😆
same, a simple habit that is secure, I use it always with maximum privacy. One day you will be in a rush, under stress, affected by age, and use your old habits with a valuable asset...
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If you're not already using 2fa everywhere you can, you're already doing it wrong.
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You can try aegis if you're on Android, open source, local, great
Also OTPclient on desktop, it can work directly with an Aegis encrypted export file. You enter the decrypt password when you open the app and it can auto-lock after a specified interval.
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I just use Bitwarden's 2FA functionality.
This is premium functionality, for those who don't know.
They have a free application too:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bitwarden.authenticator
Can it export the seeds?
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And I heard that if you self host you can use the premium features for free
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Aegis
Yubikey, but thats just a personal preference. A password manager works just as well.
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I use keepassxc to generate the code.
Agreed, me to! And I use syncthing to sync my database between my devices Edit: mine is called KeePassDX but its the same database file
I already use pass ("the unix password manager") and there's a pretty decent extension that lets it handle 2fa: https://github.com/tadfisher/pass-otp
Worth noting that this somewhat defeats the purpose of 2fa if you put your GitHub password in the same store as the one used for otp. Nevertheless, this let's me sign on to 2fa services from the command line without purchasing a USB dongle or needing a smartphone on-hand.
Your two factors shift to possession of your password vault + knowledge of the password to it. You're okay IMO.
You also still get the anti-replay benefits of the OTPs, though that might be a bit moot with TLS everywhere.
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It's fine. I moved to gitlab years ago for 2fa, so while this doesn't affect me I would be entirely ok with normal 2fa.
It is normal, right? Not a weird Microsoft 2fa requiring their app?
Yes you can use any app, it's standard TOTP.
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Ideally you don’t want to build your open source software on a proprietary forge service so hopefully nothing of value is on the Microsoft-owned platform so it doesn’t really matter how secure it is.
But you should have a free software TOTP option on you anyhow. I use password-store’s OTP plugin so it is easier to back up & sync.
Did you forget the ./s or something? Lemmy itself is developed on GitHub, as are plenty of other "valuable" open source projects. To pretend nothing of value is built there is putting your head in the sand.
If you're developing software on GitHub you have a chance at getting some useful feedback, bug reports and maybe even PRs. Like it or not, the network effect is real.
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Its more secure and ssh keys are more convenient anyways
This hate for 2FA is bizarre to me. Sure, it's not as convenient but in this day and age, with all the threats out there, there's no real excuse for not using it.
I just use my password manager to generate the TOTP. There's no way I'm going to install an app just to use a website.
I generate a TOTP with my password manager, it stores all my other login details and keeps it simple.
That seems like it defeats the "2" part of 2FA. If your password manager is compromised the attackers now how complete access.
Technically true.
You are right, having the password in the same vault does mean that if the vault itself is compromised they have both. Guess I could move the TOTP to a separate authenticator app but the only other apps I have a mobile only and there are times I need to login without having hands on my phone.
I guess the time based aspect of the TOTP makes it a little more resistant to having someone monitor my keystrokes or clipboard or whatever and capture a relatively long lived secret like my password. So I guess its a comprise I'm willing to make.
That's minimal to me. I chose 1password for this exact reason, read all of their technical docs.
1password uses encryption with a 2-part key, your password and your "Secret key" which is essentially a salt. Combining those two, they encrypt your entire storage blob and store it. They're very clear that there is no backdoor, there it is encrypted using your keys, and they do not store those keys anywhere - and that if you lose your keys you're out. There are zero recovery options. Which I love. (Which means I do not recommend it to non tech folks who will probably lose one of these keys)
So the secret key is similar to a guid, can have that written down somewhere, and your password should never be written down anywhere, and be completely unique. Doing those two things, I feel confident that keeping my 2FA in my most secure area is safe. There is minimal chance that someone is able to log in remotely to my 1password, even if they got my key, my password isn't written down.
The convenience of this is x1000, while the risk to me is negligible. It's why when I worked in fintech it was the manager of choice, and I recommend it for secrets in kubernetes. Until they prove me wrong, security is truly number one with them.
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pass otp. Works, more secure then SMS, open source.
Codeberg, or failing that, GitLab, or BitBucket. Allowing MS to control all FLOSS software, means they might probably secretly get consent to use your code for copilot training without respecting licences. I have no idea if this happens, or might in the future, as I ain't reading the terms of service for something I do not use, however, I have little trust for them enough for air on the side of caution.
I'm gonna keep putting all of my code on github, then. Doing my part to make copilot crash and burn.
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I deleted my github account because fuck microsoft. Open source should not be hosted on their servers.
In regards to forced 2fa, as I don't need it on my projects, there would be literally nothing lost if somebody gets into my account.
Just for the convenience I moved them to my selfhosted forgejo and mirroring to sr.ht as a backup.
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