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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's their doing fair play

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

as he should he's represented his constituency well and they still want him. labour will try and parachute someone into the seat and risk losing a solid labour constituency because of it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Labour have actually selected a local councillor, not someone parachuted in.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Good for him. Labour are continuity Tories.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Isn't it a bit more nuanced than that?

[–] Kecessa 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nothing is nuanced on the internet

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

I guess we're bringing that Reddit trait over here too.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

A bit.

Because at the end of it. His constituents have chosen him multiple times. Labour has no right to deny them the chance to do so again.

So if they refuse to offer his direct voters the same options. He likely feels he has a duty to let them choose between him and some Labour parachute accident.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Only in the same way that Coke and Pepsi are differnt

As Orwell pointed out way back then, they're both sides of the neo liberal coin.

If you want Tory vote Tory or Labour, if you want chnage Vote Green.

Nothing chnages if voters don't

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

I'd argue that certain welfare reforms under the previous Labour government wouldn't have been considered under a Conservative one. Equally, a lot policies that affect numerous people would have been very different in the last few years if we had a Labour government.

Are the Greens really much different from your broad perspective?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Neoliberalism didn't exist yet when Orwell was alive.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I wish he wouldn't, but can't really blame him for trying. He might well win, after all.

EDIT: There's precedent for this, it turns out! Last time an incumbent, independent former Labour MP in Islington North ran for re-election was in the 1983 GE, when some guy called Jeremy Corbyn won easily for Labour. I don't think there's much read-through to the current situation because, firstly, the incumbent in 1983, Michael O'Halloran, obviously didn't have Corbyn's national recognition and, secondly, O'Halloran not only had defected (not been expelled), but had effectively defected twice: from Labour to the SDP, then from the SDP to 'Independent Labour' (in reality, just him) when he wasn't selected to fight the seat for his new party.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has confirmed he will stand against the party he once led.He will contest his Islington North seat, which he has held since 1983, as an independent candidate in the general election on 4 July.Speaking to his local Islington Tribune newspaper, he said he would be "a voice for equality, democracy and peace".Mr Corbyn was suspended from the parliamentary Labour Party in 2020 - when in response to the Equality and Human Rights Commission report into the party’s handling of anti-Semitism complaints, he suggested that the scale of the problem had been "dramatically overstated" by opponents.Labour will announce its candidate to replace Mr Corbyn in his north London seat on 1 JuneA shortlist of two was drawn up by party officials rather than local members.

Mr Corbyn did not declare his intention to stand as an independent until that process had got under way.He wanted to make it clear that he was being forced out and not willingly leaving the party he led until four years ago.His campaign is likely to provide a focus for those on the left disillusioned with Sir Keir Starmer’s leadership.The BBC understands Mr Corbyn will endorse policies rejected by his successor, including lifting the benefits cap and nationalizing energy and water companies.His supporters are hopeful he can continue to represent the seat he has held for 40 years.But his decision to stand as an independent might, in one respect, be helpful to Sir Keir.

He has argued that he has changed his party and, as if to symbolise this, his predecessor is now likely formally to be expelled from Labour.


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