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[–] [email protected] 93 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (21 children)

You don’t need no gun control, you know what you need? We need some bullet control. Men, we need to control the bullets, that’s right. I think all bullets should cost five thousand dollars… five thousand dollars per bullet… You know why? Cause if a bullet cost five thousand dollars there would be no more innocent bystanders.
Yeah! Every time somebody get shot we’d say, ‘Damn, he must have done something ... Shit, he’s got fifty thousand dollars worth of bullets in his ass.’
And people would think before they killed somebody if a bullet cost five thousand dollars. ‘Man I would blow your fucking head off…if I could afford it.’ ‘I’m gonna get me another job, I’m going to start saving some money, and you’re a dead man. You’d better hope I can’t get no bullets on layaway.’
So even if you get shot by a stray bullet, you wouldn't have to go to no doctor to get it taken out. Whoever shot you would take their bullet back, like "I believe you got my property."

― Chris Rock

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago
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[–] [email protected] 34 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Illinois has some fairly strict gun laws... which is why so many guns used in crimes there come from all the states surrounding it. So I ask... do Arizona, Utah, and Nevada have these taxes as well?

I'm not against gun control, but it seems to me that a state level fix ain't it.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 7 months ago (1 children)

In the US, especially in this polarised climate, the vast majority of changes to law start with one state, and then another, and then another until slowly it gets adopted around the country.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

States have long been called "laboratories of democracy" for exactly this reason. I'd actually argue that the current climate calcifies the process of policy experimentation in states and among them.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

california is big. It may work better than other places, but a fed licensing program would be ideal

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago (8 children)

I think it was Chris Rock who said something like "if you want to reduce gun violence then you gotta make bullets more expensive." You're gonna see a drop in gunshots if every bullet costs $1k.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

"Damn! He musta did something cuz he put fifty thousand dollars worth of bullets in his ass!"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

You don’t need no gun control, you know what you need? We need some bullet control. Men, we need to control the bullets, that’s right. I think all bullets should cost five thousand dollars… five thousand dollars per bullet… You know why? Cause if a bullet cost five thousand dollars there would be no more innocent bystanders.

Yeah! Every time somebody get shot we’d say, ‘Damn, he must have done something ... Shit, he’s got fifty thousand dollars worth of bullets in his ass.’

And people would think before they killed somebody if a bullet cost five thousand dollars. ‘Man I would blow your fucking head off…if I could afford it.’ ‘I’m gonna get me another job, I’m going to start saving some money, and you’re a dead man. You’d better hope I can’t get no bullets on layaway.’

So even if you get shot by a stray bullet, you wouldn't have to go to no doctor to get it taken out. Whoever shot you would take their bullet back, like "I believe you got my property.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago (17 children)

Pretty sure the guns i see the criminals use aren't even legal. Crazy extended mags

[–] [email protected] 34 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

This is the fundamental problem with gun regulation at the state level -- they can be effectively abrogated by neighboring states with more lax regulation. FiveThirtyEight did a piece on this a while ago. In that article they show how strict gun laws in Illinois, California, and Maryland are defeated by guns flowing in from the surrounding states with more lax laws. The vast majority of gun crime is committed with guns which are illegally possessed, but were initially obtained through legal means.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (5 children)

That's why Mexico is suing Arizona, and maybe Texas? Cali has strict gun laws so the cartels can't get guns here. They have no issues getting guns in AZ and TX

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

Yeah, that's basically the legal theory of the suits. It's pretty novel and there are a lot of issues with it.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Wait.... You're telling me that they continue to do crimes with guns even when the guns are illegal? Criminals? Really? I refuse to believe it.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (73 children)

I've been saying for years this was going to be what happens, instead of common sense gun laws they are just going to tax the shit out of it. Which sucks for law abiding responsible gun owners who just want to hunt or defend themselves. This is what happens when one side refuses to come to the negotiating table.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The constitutionality of this tax will come down to how the Roberts Court wants to interpret and apply the 200-year old concept first issued in an opinion during the Marshall Court -- the power to tax is the power to destroy. The government cannot use its authority to levy taxes in a manner which significantly encroaches on the exercise of an enumerated right. I like CA's idea here, but it's all going to come down to implementation.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (3 children)

"As a giant chicken with a southern accent wearing a judges robe, this here tax is unconstitutional on the grounds of me not liking it." -The Roberts court, most likely

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Foghorn Leghorn had more integrity and righteousness than the justices on the current SCOTUS

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

There's also this crazy thing called an illegal market which circumvents tax entirely

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago

Tax it higher than alcohol & tobacco.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes most crime is committed with legally aquires firearms

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Where do you think illegally acquired firearms are sourced from?

PDF: ATF NFCTA vol2 part3, Crime Guns Recovered and Traced
ATF traced 70.2% (1 million firearms) of submitted 'crime guns' to having originally been purchased from a dealer. An additional 22.6% (⅓ million) were from pawnbrokes. [page 7]
In 12.2% of the cases [page 26] purchaser and possessor was the same.
One or more guns are stolen in 63% of household burglaries.

From conclusion page 41:

Traced crime guns typically originate from the legal supply chain of manufacture (or import), distribution, and retail sale. Crime guns may change hands a number of times after that first retail sale, and some of those transactions may be a theft or violate one or more regulations on firearm commerce.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Lovely another way to penalise the poor

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary

Karl Marx

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Like it did to alcohol and tobacco use?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago

Smoking is so much more prevalent in other states than it is in California. Even vaping has been dropping off recently. California overall has less binge drinking than other states but I’d attribute that as much to good weather and lots to do instead of just taxes.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Both of those are way down from when I was in my twenties.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's education and culture. People will pay whatever it takes to feed their addictions. It's cultural disappoval that changes behaviour.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Issue is gonna be with stolen guns and ammo also it’s not far to get to the Nevada border if people wanna stock up

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