this post was submitted on 05 May 2024
232 points (97.5% liked)

World News

39332 readers
3254 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News [email protected]

Politics [email protected]

World Politics [email protected]


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Several NATO members accuse Moscow of deliberately jamming positioning signals

GPS is no longer reliable around the Baltic Sea and northern Norway. Interference in the Global Positioning System (GPS), which has affected all NATO members bordering Russia for two years, has worsened in recent months. Alternative systems to GPS have had to be activated on tens of thousands of flights and the main Finnish airline has suspended one of its routes due to the problem, which is also disrupting maritime navigation. Several of the affected countries accuse Moscow of intentionally jamming signals with its electronic warfare systems.

Since the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, GPS interference has been recurring in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. These types of disruptions are common in and around conflict zones. Even so, in the last half year, the airspace of the three Baltic countries — in addition to that of Finland, Sweden and Poland — has been much more affected than at the beginning of the war. What’s more, thousands of ships have been navigating the Baltic without GPS since December, when the Russian army’s electronic warfare began in the Kaliningrad enclave. And in remote northeastern Norway, near Russia’s Northern Fleet base — which has eight of the 11 Russian submarines capable of launching long-range nuclear missiles — outages are almost daily.

all 27 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 months ago (3 children)

The craziest part is that the facility believed to be the source of the jamming is estimated at only $6.7m to make.

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1786018979125117136?s=46&t=GIZGEZdJrgoqjJGiP2Da7w

[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 months ago

It's just a big antenna. If you can broadcast a large signal on all the same frequencies you can drown out the other signals. It takes lots of power. More targeted approaches can make it more efficient, that probably where most of the money went.

[–] assaultpotato 23 points 7 months ago

Igor Shushko should not be trusted for OSINT. He has claimed repeatedly that the FSB was going to stage a coup, etc. since the beginning of the invasion. He also just makes stuff up pretty frequently.

He's in the "completely ignore" category in the OSINT community.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They say I can download the PDF.
maybe I'm too blind or stupid for X/Twitter, but I at least can't download/see it on mobile.

Anyone having said PDF to actually see the details?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Without a twitter account you can't expand the thread, and not having a twitter account means I have no idea if there is a PDF in there or not. Nothing like using a walled garden platform to literally hide information behind Musk's paywall.

EDIT: I managed to find them elsewhere and put them somewhere easier to access:

https://files.catbox.moe/7in4e3.pdf

https://files.catbox.moe/96njtt.pdf

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Thank you very very much!

And fuck X

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

We have to pay to have an account on X now?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Well, you are agreeing to have your data sold, so in that sense, yes

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Imagine that kinda sucks for a pilot. A ship is at least moving fairly slowly, so you have time and plenty of space to do your charting the old fashioned way. Might even be kinda fun for the first few times, a chance to actually use that skill for once. A plane would have a tougher time of it, unless it has some inertial navigating system or something.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Lots of lighthouses don't operate anymore. Ships crashing into thing in the night was a big problem before GPS.

There are other navigation methods, radio towers etc. But GPS is a reliable works everywhere system, outside of malicious actors.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's a good point, we have very few active lighthouses in the US anymore.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (3 children)

unless it has some inertial navigating system or something.

Don't all commercial planes have this?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

There are other ways to navigate and fly other than gps and it’s basically just as easy to do. It’s just not quite as accurate and relies on stations on the ground which have been decommissioned over the years as gps has become more prevalent. VOR to VOR flying airways and then using ILS type approaches as an example.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

VOR

Thinking about it: This can also be manipulated by an enemy on the ground...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Well they are all radio signals even the ILS and localizers. In the US our 5G network interferes with radio altimeters. A person at home can spoof airplane traffic that would show up in cockpits. Bad actors could cause havoc anywhere.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Would air traffic controllers be able to guide them via radar?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They could but you wouldn’t want to do that for all planes. Planes follow standard departure and approach paths so the controllers know where everyone is and should be going. Moving a few planes around no biggie but if you’re doing radar vectors for everyone that will slow things down dramatically.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

That makes sense. I was thinking more about emergencies because it says outages are almost daily, which means not consistent.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

They do, but compounding errors are always a problem with inertial navigation.

Instead of GPS, they can use fixed radio beacons like VOR and TACAN (which I think are both just US systems, but there are similar systems around the world and at major airports). This is basically the system that was in use before GPS.

EDIT: grammar

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

VOR is international, my local airport has one. TACAN is military only (though some can be used as a VOR by civilian aircraft), also international, and by the way originally British as per Wikipedia.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I understood everything in your comment! All those years playing FSX instead of going to school finally paid off!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I am not a pilot or aviation watcher, so I don't know. Makes sense.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I mean.... It's obviously electronic warfare from Russia.

There isn't a need to "accuse" and nobody will listen to a denial.

This is just deliberate communication disruption, and prequel memes aside, we all know what disrupted communications leads to.

And they started with Ukraine, thinking it an easy target.

When I read an article the other day about laser point-to-point communication with a sattelite , I immediately thought to myself "oh this probably isn't good, widespread sattelite communication disruption is about to be put to widespread use, why else would this be necessary when current systems have much higher bandwidth" and you know if you're reading a news article about it, it's been put to use by the DOD for years.

Am I sounding like a conspiracy theorist? Genuine question, because that seems reasonable in the modern world to me.