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  • Ukrainian forces took out more than 100 Russian soldiers with an ATACMS missile, per OSINT analysts.
  • Four ATACMS were used to target the group, one analyst said.
  • The soldiers would have been out of reach of Ukraine's shorter-range ATACMS missiles.

A Ukrainian ATACMS long-range missile strike killed more than 100 Russian soldiers in an occupied region 50 miles from the front line, according to OSINT and military analysts.

Ukrainian forces targeted a Russian military training area some 50 miles behind the front line in the occupied Luhansk Oblast in eastern Ukraine, per an assessment by The Institute for the Study of War.

According to two aerial geolocated videos posted on Wednesday by X user Osinttechnical, an account affiliated with the Centre for Naval Analyses, Ukraine appeared to strike the training area with three US-supplied M39 ATACMS tactical ballistic missiles.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I read ATACMS as Attack 'Ems

[–] [email protected] 48 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That is the intention of the acronym, yes.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago (1 children)

War is hell, at this rate Russians would have suffered less losses from forcefully removing Putin.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm still amazed that Prigozhen lasted as long as he did after playing chicken with Putin like that...I don't think things would have gotten materially better if he'd finished his march but it's hard to imagine it getting worse (at least outside of Russia).

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

i'm amazed Prigozhin wasn't wise enough to take extreme precautions after meddling with someone like Putin.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Turning around and marching toward Moscow should have been an obvious point of no return. Either he was going to die, or Putin was, no exceptions.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

He likely viewed his march to be against Shoigu and not Putin. An obvious mistake in hindsight.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

He should have had his "soft" targets better protected. Russia has a long tradition punishing the families of those that oppose them.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Uh-oh. Russia might be running out of ~~prisoners~~... ~~forced conscripts~~... patriotic warriors.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)
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[–] gravitas_deficiency 19 points 7 months ago (9 children)

I really hope we’re giving them Block 1A or later, because those have a max range of 170-186 miles, which is juuuuuust enough to reach the Kerch bridge from behind the front of battle.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Trying to demolish a capital structure like a bridge with rockets would be incredibly wasteful, they're better spent for precision strikes on ammo depots, airports, vehicle storage, etc. The payload of the long-range ATACMS is only 214kg, somewhat on par with the FAB-500 bomb, which carries around 200kg with stated TNT equivalent of about 300kg. The truck explosion on that bridge last year was estimated at around 10 tons TNT equivalent, it barely shifted a couple slabs, and was fixed within weeks.

Using sea drones to take out supports might be a better idea, they're at least considerably cheaper.

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[–] Habahnow 17 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Is this actually is a good use of the ATACMS? I mean 100 troop isn't nothing, but oil refineries or, plane hangers, or tank garages, I think would be better suited for their use. Anybody have additional information on their usage?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Do you realize how much effort and resources are expended in raising and training 100 human beings? That's thousands of rounds of ammo not being shot at Ukrainian soldiers, because dead men carry no guns, operate no equipment and don't pass on their experience to new soldiers.

It's all around horrible what's going on, but 100 soldiers are no laughing matter. Robotyne was defended by 4 soldiers at one point some weeks ago. Russia has been trying to retake that village since they lost it last year.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

I'm not convinced that Russia raises and trains.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

The U.S. doesn’t allow Ukraine to use U.S. weapons inside Russian territory. England apparently does now but I don’t know if anyone else does. (That’s why Ukraine-built drones are used to attack oil refineries and the like.)

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The soldiers would have been out of reach of Ukraine's shorter-range ATACMS missiles

Shorter-range ATACMS still have a range of 165km (103 miles), why would a position 50 miles behind the front lines be unreachable for them? It's likely that Ukraine is currently expending their existing stock now that they know more is coming.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 7 months ago

They also have to keep their launchers at a safe enough distance from Russian weapon systems...so 50 miles behind Russian lines is likely at least 100 miles from the target...right at the edge of the range you mentioned.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

Call them attack 'ems, used to attack 'em.

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