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[–] southsamurai 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Eh, it won't really do much for most people, and it really won't do much for the most vital service jobs. You work in the medical field, good luck actually getting three days off a week if you aren't admin/office. Even then you might not.

Some jobs just don't have enough people doing it to staff the extra shifts needed to make it work. You'd likely do fine with the less specialised jobs, but even at the RN level, you'll have a shit ton of trouble getting good people in, and they're pretty versatile overall. Good luck making sure doctors are available. And truth is, you can't just fill a surgical nurse position with one that's mostly done icu work, or vice versa. Same with most positions for nurses; it might not be a specialty on paper, but every department has peculiarities you just can't learn in school.

That's not the only field that would have issues, but it's the one that's likely going to need the most exceptions and limitations.

It really would be wonderful, but it's kinda like a UBI where the amount of social change necessary to make it happen is ponderous.

[–] The_Hideous_Orgalorg 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like a management issue, not a worker concern. Maybe they need to increase the salary to entice more applicants. I do maintenance, and I care not at all whether the equipment continues to function. Shipment doesn't go out on time, not my problem. Maybe they should have planned better if they want to avoid it in the future.

[–] southsamurai 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's a training issue.

An RN is an associate's degree, but that's just the beginning of the real training. You can't cram all of it into even a four year program, so it ends up where new nurses pick up the various specialties on the job.

It's clunky as hell, and it needs fixing, but it isn't something easy to fix without extending the time in school with the equivalent of residency. Which makes it harder for people to actually finish schooling, and delays getting new people into the field where they're needed.

As it is, BSN degrees end up being more administrative, with further degrees going into nurse practitioners.

And, again, that's not the only field with difficulty in producing qualified and capable professionals. It's just one where your barely passing students can end up killing somebody.

Doesn't matter what the salary is if you can't get capable people through the program in enough numbers to staff services. The bottleneck is capability and desire, not money. Money might draw more enrollment for training, but it can't do spit to get graduates that have the requisite ability. If anything, trying to lure more students in with the possibility of higher salary just pushes out some of the dedicated people that now have to compete with folks that are just looking for more pay, but just aren't cut out for the work.

Then you've got an even bigger problem trying to keep the graduates while still trying to make more.

[–] The_Hideous_Orgalorg 0 points 7 months ago

Not having enough workers for a position doesn't negate the four day work week anyway. There are plenty of people working more than 5 days or 40 hours currently, even though those are the standard work week. They just get paid overtime if they do exceed the standard limit.