Lots of people watch live sports, reality TV, talk shows. It's just an extension of that genre depending on what type of streamer you're in to.
Lots of people don't care for that stuff, sounds like you're in the second group.
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Lots of people watch live sports, reality TV, talk shows.
Oh, maybe that explains why I don't like streamers. I don't like any of those things.
I like some sports, but can't stand game streamers. Athletes train for years to become the best in their sport/position/etc, streamers are usually mediocre at the games at best. I rather just play the game myself. Much more of a personality cult around streamers, and I have no interest in.
But well, people are different. If some people enjoy it, go ahead just explaining from another point of view why I don't like it
The most popular streamers aren't popular because they are good at games, it's because they are entertaining. The game might be used to draw people in, but it's not really about the game itself.
I would say watching sports is about the game. No one is watching NFL because Madden was casting it (I know he's gone, but I don't know any famous sports casters/commentators).
The most popular streamers aren't popular because they are good at games, it's because they are entertaining.
Exactly, that is my point. I just don't think they are entertaining though, which is fine. There are lot of tv shows and movies I don't like either.
Not sure what you mean with commentators. But even if I don't particularly enjoy a certain sport, I can see if someone is talented at it and appreciate their effort they put into it. But most likely I still won't watch much of it. There is so much content, I see no point in seeing anything I don't enjoy.
You’ve perhaps compared the wrong niche though. Game streamers are the Harlem Globetrotters; you’re not there to watch excellent gaming, but entertaining gaming. Whereas esports are the equivalent to competitive sports.
That said; I too struggle to care about watching either. Even my old boss Limmy, no care for watching him stream.
I don’t like any of those things but I LOVE watching Twitch. The ability to have your chats read, watch something you like eg gaming and have someone ramble on about whatever is a fun experience for me.
I legitimately never understood the draw of watching sports, on any level, until I watched people playing hard video games and was fascinated by checking out what they could do and got to share in their vicarious enjoyment of their accomplishment when they overcame.
I was like oh, I get it. That's why people watch football. Makes sense now.
So you share the sense of pride and accomplishment!
10 years ago I was like “why tf would I want to watch someone play a video game when I could just play it myself?”
Now I’m like “why tf would I play this game when I could just watch someone else?”
I guess I’m still interested in what’s going on in gaming in general, but I don’t have any desire to go through all the bullshit of a modern AAA game with a huge repetitive open world, dozens of half assed shallow mechanics (rpg/perk system, loot, crafting etc.), homogenized design, predatory DLC/mtx, and all that. I’d rather play Factorio and watch a streamer play whatever hot new game people are into.
This is another huge aspect of why I watch streamers. I love games, but some just aren’t for me. It’s great to get to experience something I normally wouldn’t with a community hyping it up and what not. Great point.
At this point, I know there are so, so, so, so, SO many good games out there from 1977 onwards that I can just play whenever, that I lost interest in checking out new games. Maybe for the graphics, but unless there's a quantum leap in gaming (like, Matrix-like immersion without the dying), then I'm not interested.
And I don't exaggerate when I say 1977. Have you played Atari 2600's Phoenix? Shit is addictive!
Plus all the hundreds of thousands of homebrews.
I was a pretty heavy Twitch user for a while, even streamed for a couple years myself. The biggest draw for me was the community. Most of the time I couldn't care less what the person was playing, I was there to interact with them and their communities. It was about the only social/entertainment outlet I had at the time.
I think parasocial relationships are a big part of it
Yup, this is a huge part of the draw. People like to feel like they're in the same social circle and class as their favorite streamers
For the most part, they probably are. It’s just the top ~5% that are actually making decent money from it.
Though, I’ve noticed that already having money and comfort is the starting point for some streamers. Because they have the luxury of being able to do whatever they want without consequence.
I think most viewers can be grouped into 3 main categories (please note these are just very broad generalizations)
Category 1 viewers watch streams because they like the game that is being played, and basically treat it like watching sports. They want to watch skilled people doing skillful and impressive things. Maybe they play the game themselves, but not always. They tend to focus on categories rather than channels, and are quick to unfollow if a streamer starts playing something else, even if it's a similar genre.
Category 2 viewers watch streams because of the personality of the streamer and the vibes of the stream, and tend to have parasocial relationship. I won't say much about this category because I honestly don't understand the whole parasocial thing at all, I just know it's a Thing.
Category 3 viewers watch streams because of the streamer's community. They're focused on not just the personality of the streamer, but also the kind of environment they foster and how they interact with the viewers. I'm in this group, I'm on twitch to meet people and make some genuine connections. I've made some great friends in streams, not just with the actual streamer, but the other chatters as well - we hang out off-stream and play games, watch movies, just chat, etc. This group tends to contain a lot of smaller streamers supporting each other (in a bit of a circle-jerk, I admit)
From what I've seen, categories 1 and 2 gravitate towards larger, well-established channels, while category 3 prefer smaller streamers and will be supportive but disappointed if someone they watch becomes "big".
All of this is just my own observations hanging out on twitch and talking with other viewers and streamers, please take with a grain of salt. Also I have no idea how much of this applies to other streaming platforms like YouTube or Kick.
I think this is a pretty good summary overall. I'd like to supplement some things:
Category 1 viewers also contain people who want to vicariously live through someone else and experience their favourite game again for the first time. They tend to stick around only for a specific game, and will move on after the playthrough is over.
Category 2 also contains viewers who watch the streams as a pure entertainment product, more akin to watching a comedian. They're mostly interested in the banter the streamer provides. Many viewers of Northernlion and Jerma fit this description.
Exception of category 3: DougDoug
Category 2 could be comparable to someone watching their favorite talk show host or comedian because they enjoy their personality
Background noise. Also, I can't do the cool shit that they do.
I don't personally, but I've read that the appeal is that sometimes you want to play a game, and sometimes you want to watch television, and sometimes you don't want to do either but vaguely want an experience that's halfway between the two (i.e. watching someone else play a game).
Also, you can’t interact with a host on your tv. You can on streams.
And sometimes you’re stoned and watch streamers thinking its a movie (yes that happened, once tho :))
I like their personalities and their commentary.
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I like to watch people program on twitch. Seeing people suffer with code reminds me that I am not alone.
Occasionally I'll watch a playthrough of a game I'm interested in something about (the plot or aesthetic), but don't think I'd enjoy playing.
Mostly, though, I watch like the Drawfee stream where they do improv comedy and draw audience suggestions. I'd almost rather watch a vod of a game I'm curious about, but comedy streams with audience participation benefit from seeing them live.
I think a lot of streamers are basically amateur comedians doing bits with something like a videogame to give them material. mst3k-like.
Others will play a game early or right away and be able to review as you watch. They'll say like the controls feel sloppy or the theme is grating and you'll experience that with them. Not a big deal for most people, but for highly anticipated games people are excited about, it helps give a sense of whether a game is worth playing for them in a slightly different way than a written or recorded review.
Watching people play a dnd game live gives you the energy in the chat while watching, which can make more exciting or interesting the play (do people in chat who know dnd think what's happening was a good idea? is everyone freaking out at a roll? is there a person who explains things in there which helps you understand for your own game?) It also protects you from getting spoiled when something dramatic happens.
There are people who play music or paint or work on a skill on stream, and that comes with a touch of the fun of watching a live performance. There's some extra excitement when you see stuff in real time and they could fuck up or they could do something amazing.
I'm not going to buy a console for just one game. If I really want to play that game, and it's been years, and it still hasn't come out on pc, and I can't get the goddamn emulator to work, well, I'll watch a streamer play it.
I follow that, although wouldn't it be easier to find a playthrough on YouTube or the like instead?
I may be confused on terminology isn't that the same thing? Let's plays, streamers, etc?
The difference that I was thinking of was of recorded videos vs. live streams, where with the former you can watch whenever instead of only when the person is streaming.
I don't personally care to catch live streams and participate, but I do sometimes prefer a streamer's commentary on a game compared to pure gameplay.
There was a streamer's series I used to watch (Attacking Tucans playing Zelda OOT randomizer). Their personality and reactions to the game were fun to watch and added to the experience.
You do you, I couldn't care less about game streamers as well.
Ever watch a football game?
Exactly. There were a couple of small streamers I used to watch on Twitch and joined their Discord servers. It was a blast for a while but my work schedule changed and I was unable to watch/participate as much.
It's definitely better live and being able to participate in some way.
Honestly not really, too many ads and stops and starts from when I've been around others watching them, but I think I get the gist.
Watching the recording afterward is maybe good for some white noise, but it’s clearly not the intended experience I think.
Same reason why you might DVR a TV show, to watch it later when you get home.