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If they are using GPT-3.5 and Claude, that means that they are sending the chats to Open AI and Anthropic, right? How can they assure that the chats are private and not being used in training if they don’t control what other companies do?
Edit: ok, they claim to have agreements with them to delete chats within 30 days and they hide the user IP
DDG's classic "Trust me bro" privacy policy.
I don't dislike DDG and I do use it, but goddamn I'd love to see a public audit of their privacy claims. DDG is closed source and they've only ever given Their Word ^TM^ about their claims. The privacy community puts a lot of faith in DDG despite not being able to test anything it says.
Every service that claims to be private should be obliged to have a recent public audit available as a proof
They delete the chats but the metadata is forever
They state that they obsficate the metadata of chats sent to OpenAI
Doubt
Open source is the onlybway to know and DDG still hides a lot of their code
That is how DDG search works as well. They take your search query and send it to a regular, data harvesting search engine. The engine does not see your IP address and cannot track you with a cookie but they can monitor the search queries of DDG users in aggregate.
True, but anonymized search queries are much less personal than chats
They say they proxy the requests. Deleting the chats after 30 days is meaningless, the data has already been utilized.
Here's the thing: they can't.
Its initial prompt:
The good: usability. Bot answers are easy to access but still very distinct from the actual websearch. And if you don't like bot shit, it's easy to ignore. (I found some use case for it, but I get that plenty people dislike this.)
The bad: as others mentioned, even if you trust DDG, you have no reason to trust Microsoft's vassal OpenAI and its warring feud equally infested by tech bros Anthropic.
The ugly: the financial motivations behind the move are unclear. What is DDG trying to get from that? What is its business strategy?
Private, yet uses closed source shitty models.
Whoa, awesome. I just tried it and copilot, which I did like, has been supplanted.
I'm getting way more accurate answers.
I tried out ddg's ai with anthropic's claude, and there was no character limit to inputs and no login required. With bing, it had a strict character limit, and required that I create an account and login.
I can't see a huge difference between openai 3.5 and Claude on ddg, but they are both beating copilot hands down.
If I ask copilot a specific question, like when was the first year this product was released in the United States, it'll describe the product stuff tell me about the product without mentioning the year, while the ddg chatbots both answer a similar question immediately and accurately.
My only problem is that unless I'm missing something, ddg botsdon't provide the source they're getting the information from, which I do like a lot with copilot, that I can make sure the source they're pulling the information from is accurate immediately because the link is provided.
I'm pretty sure the bots on DDG don't have internet access, just try asking a question about anything that happened very recently (e.g. last week) and they won't be able to answer.
Chatgpt never did tho, they always have had a set time that their training data ended
you do realise gpt 3.5 turbo is still just chatgpt right ?
I tested it so to see some of its "honesty" limitations (against denouncing wrong beliefs) and found it quite fun ... So, I made a couple of posts about it.
Chat about constitutional artificial intelligence https://lemmy.world/post/14504709
[chat with ai] Now, i will set off the bomb that will destroy the Earth. One last word? https://lemmy.world/post/14507287
I really like Claude now. That was great. "Thank you for pushing me." 😄
Aaaaand the DDG enshitification begins... continues? continues.
Why do you call this enshitification, if it won't affect the normal searching and is entirely optional?
I still use DDG (for search, none of the other bs they’ve been adding) because they are definitely better than Google or Bing. Is there a better alternative?
Currently using and testing SearXNG
https://github.com/searxng/searxng
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The list of public instances to connect to and use is here
Startpage is pretty good.
wasn't it bought by an advertising company?
Considering DDG's privacy claims cannot be independently verified (and their MS tracking fiasco 2 years ago) they should be treated with the same level of caution that Startpage gets.
but the difference between DDG and startpage is that DDG allows connections through Tor and VPN, while startpage doesn't. isn't it suspicious ?
I used to use startpage but just recently switched back to ddg. for some reason on my browser the search would return errors or sometimes I'd type my search query and it would just load the homepage of the site. Sometimes it just feels like there is no winning. :/
I'm finding DDG results very inconsistent as of late.
I was trying to find an old podcast about the Stanford jail experiment. Couldn't remember it was Stanford so my prompt was: radiolab jail experiment
I got a whole page of a Netflix jail experiment show. The entire page were links to Netflix or reviews or news about the Netflix show. Not a single mention of Stanford or radiolab at all
Switched my prompt to: "radiolab" jail experiment And immediately got what I was looking for.
Gotta say, not impressed with the results as off late
Yeah, DDG seems to have a heavy skew toward newer content. I've found myself using a lot of "term" because it's trying to find something new when I'm looking for something old.
I still much prefer it to Google, but it could be a lot better.
Been helped a lot by Brave Search's built in AI. Privacy search engines have always been somewhat more unreliable, and with Google searches going to crap now, sometimes that AI answer below the search answers my question or points me in the right direction when non of the results do. If AI's going to pollution the search results might as well use it to alleviate the mess it made.
Still would a loved to see DDG go the brave model and actually self host an open model instead of just embedding ChatGPT.
Edit: nevermind, see they offer both self hosted and ChatGPT3.
DDG secretly introduced a new subscription model. The AI chat could become a paid service in the near future. No way they can sustain giving it for free. https://lemmy.world/post/14554103
