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[–] [email protected] 113 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

No, no, this is the peak OS installation menu:

😜

[–] [email protected] 46 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Oh hey, I remember that screen. I have seen it many times. Many, many times. Oh God, so many times.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So, just to clarify, you’ve seen it many times?

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[–] Cuntessera 36 points 4 months ago

Ironically, this one is better designed than their current one lmao.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I was genuinely about to say how the openSUSE installer looks incredibly similar to the Windows XP one

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

This one is second not OpenSUSE is still the best for me XD

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[–] lurch 67 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No, Ark Linux (not Arch) had Tetris in their installer, so we could play while we waited. It has been discontinued unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Wow I'd never heard of anything like that before, that's pretty dang cool.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I know some Minecraft mod packs used to have pong integrated in their loading screens.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago

Small history lesson for those interested: the reason we didn't see much of this sort of thing is because Namco actually had it patented, up until late 2015. Originally, you could play Galaxian while you waited for Ridge Racer to load! (At the expense of everyone else being able to have little loading screen games...)

[–] [email protected] 47 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Just because of the loading bar? You're easy to please 😁.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I mean, it is something surprisingly absent from most installers

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You apparently haven't tried Ubuntu in 20 years? Canonical has had a very clean Windows-ish experience forever, though even back in the day, Suse always had a pretty decent one as well.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

It is also a lie as the installer doesnt know any percentages.

But afaik Debian installer, Calamares, Fedora Anaconda and more all have loading bars

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Not just loading bar it's everything about the aesthetic in the menu, logo on the top, installation steps on the side and loading bar on the middle just enough to fill the screen while not being too crowded or overwhelming

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

And then there's the installation options that look and behave exactly like a regularly themed Qt application (which it probably is). Wonderful!
Okay, I'm coming from Gentoo and Debian, cut me some slack, I'm easy to please regarding installers :-P

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Help, why does this picture feel like it's ever so slightly tilted?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

I didn't see it until I read your comment

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

When I look at it as a thumbnail, it looks like the installation box is popping out of my phone. When I fulllscreen it, the illusion vanishes for me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Yes, I guess it's just an illusion, zoomed too before to check, but after zooming out, I still see it wrong lol

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

I bet it's something to do with the drop shadow. Seems like the center of mass is shifted, eh?

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[–] prettybunnys 22 points 4 months ago

If we’re being honest every release without this status bar being the tail unfolding OR the tongue extending to catch a fly is a waste.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Well there was also gobo Linux, which would let you play Tetris while the installation did its thing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

This is so damn needed

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Kinda like the C64 games that had load time games

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Yeah it's alright. I've been using Tumbleweed on my Desktop PC for the last few months and I gotta say it's mid. They do hard drive unlocking in Grub instead of in the initfs which means that only LUKS 1 and with that only the not-so-secure PDKDF is supported, instead of argon2id which is the modern KDF you want to use. This is a small and annoying oversight in the distros security which is why I will not be using it in the future

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't GRUB support LUKS2 nowadays? I know that wasn't the case a year ago or so, but I didn't see a notice on the Archwiki last time I checked.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Not sure how up to date this is, but it claims LUKS2 is only partially supported by GRUB https://docs.voidlinux.org/installation/guides/fde.html

LUKS2 is only partially supported by GRUB; specifically, only the PBKDF2 key derivation function is implemented, which is not the default KDF used with LUKS2, that being Argon2i (GRUB Bug 59409). LUKS encrypted partitions using Argon2i (as well as the other KDF) can not be decrypted. For that reason, this guide only recommends LUKS1 be used.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You could've shown a better screenshot I guess

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

With Gentoo, you can choose any live-iso, open a terminal and start installing. (:

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This might just be me but I hate those bars. It better come with some sort of text output so I can see what's actually going on.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Give me the Debian TUI anyday. Clean, simple, to the point. Has become just muscle memory thanks to all the server VMs I’ve installed it in.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I am impressed, creating btrfs sub-volumes in a debian installation with muscle memory would look like magic to me (as a linux-beginner).

The partitioning and filesystem stuff feels very unsorted and confusing for me.

But if all the standard settings are ok for you and you only have to hit enter, I guess the installer is ok.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

I mean yes, generally the standard settings are fine for my deployments so that’s what I’m talking about. I agree the partitioner leaves something to be desired though.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

I think people here are don't know and understand how customizable is opensuse's installer.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (6 children)

I still prefer archinstall‘s TUI install script (I just wish that it would offer to install yay as well)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

OpenSUSE also had a TUI installer IIRC, it's YaST-adjacent.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Debian: boring installer, bare-metal install completed in about 10 minutes

Almalinux: nice installer, bare-metal install completed in about 10 minutes

Opensuse: nice installer, bare-metal install completed in about an hour. WHYYYYYYYY?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

It because zypper is incredibly slow. They’ve been slowly working on the features needed to make it faster but they haven’t come together yet. I would guess early 2025.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

To each there own

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

I don't like that it doesn't give you a live image by default. It's kind of hard to find them on the website.

I think my ideal installer would be one that boots into a desktop and by default installs that and copies everything you've done there onto the installed system. Like "here you can start using your system right away, we'll ask you a few questions and then do the pesky installation stuff for you in the background".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I also like that it installs the apps right after first boot in microos. That's awesome. Unfortunately I like the image based system of fedora a tiny bit more.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Huh, I haven't installed SUSE in at least 10 years and seeing the Gecko is giving me a bit of nostalgia. I may have to run an install and see what's changed.

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