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Women-only social media app Giggle for Girls taken to court by transgender woman Roxanne Tickle after her account was restricted (www.abc.net.au)

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In short: Transgender woman Roxanne Tickle is suing social media platform Giggle for Girls after she was excluded from the women-only app.
She is alleging unlawful discrimination on the basis of gender identity while the app's founder has denied she is a woman.
What's next? The hearing is expected to run for four days.

A transgender woman who was excluded from a women-only social media app should be awarded damages because the app's founder has persistently denied she is a woman, a Sydney court has heard.

In February 2021, Roxanne Tickle downloaded the Giggle for Girls social networking app, which was marketed as a platform exclusively for women to share experiences and speak freely.

Users needed to provide a selfie, which was assessed by artificial intelligence software to determine if they were a woman or man.

Ms Tickle's photograph was determined to be a woman and she used the app's full features until September that year, when the account became restricted because the AI decision was manually overridden.

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[–] [email protected] 177 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I have nothing to add, just amused by the fact that a Tickle can’t get a giggle.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

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[+] [email protected] 100 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (59 children)

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 5 months ago (12 children)

While I certainly agree with you that discrimination based on sex is unacceptable im most contexts, I believe that gender exclusive spaces, unless they hinder people directly, sometimes are a good thing.

My dad is a mental health professional and founded a weekly 'only-men' self help group. He found that some things they talked about there wouldn't have worked with women involved. That group existed for about 5 years or so and helped quite a few struggling men.

So yeah, unless there's any maliciousness involved, I'd argue that gender exclusiity is not bad in every context.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's a bit different. A little private group is not a for-profit company. The difference between not being invited to a family only event when you aren't family and not being allowed into a restaurant chain because of your race.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago

The group I referenced had a paid membership. Scale that up and make it digital and you may end up with a gender exclusive social media app.

I get what you mean though, but I feel there's a bit more nuance than what you imply.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (6 children)

More the reverse. If you say "Girls Only" and then exclude a girl, you've violated your own terms of service.

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 5 months ago (29 children)

Wow an app based on gender descrimination is being sued for gender descrimination. I'm shocked

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Wanna know how I know y'all suck?

Tickle is taking on Giggle for Girls and not one witty joke?

[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 months ago (3 children)

There's low hanging fruit, and then there's the shit on the ground that wild animals eat to get drunk.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (8 children)

This thread was fated to be a dumpster fire from the instant it was created

Edit: 6 people dont seem to understand what an unholy combination it is to merge: Transphobia, Misandry, AI, and somewhat silly names on the internet

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I'm not familiar with Australian law, but how do you get to "discrimination on the basis of gender identity" in this case. Wouldn't the case for that be a trans man trying to join or stay on the app? (Or a cis man for that matter).

It sounds like Tickle's position is that the app should be discriminating based on gender identity. Her complaint seems more like them discriminating on (vaguely defined policy ammounting to) assigned gender at birth.

Having said that, I suspect their tune will change if a trans man tried joining.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Having said that, I suspect their tune will change if a trans man tried joining.

Exactly this. I fucking guarantee they wouldn't let a trans man join and actively contribute.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

Discrimination based on gender identity is basically saying I have been treated differently due to being transgender. She is saying that she as a transgender woman is being treated differently to a cisgender woman. Or that is at least how it works in the UK. I would presume Australia is similar

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Wait. We’re unironically calling social media for women Giggle and then we’re surprised it might be sexist? April first was like a week ago…

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ms Tickle’s photograph was determined to be a woman and she used the app’s full features until September that year, when the account became restricted because the AI decision was manually overridden.

I'd love to know the story behind the manual overriding.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Apparently she defended trans people in a conversation, someone complained, and moderators got involved and manually overrode the ai. Paraphrased hearsay.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (20 children)

I think she will win this. They didn't require a genital photo so what's even their proof? Arbitrary requirement anyways. Rules like that only leave people out. I understand the want for a space like that though. I hope this woman finds a space where she can feel safe.